Quote (Snyft2 @ Sep 2 2024 11:27am)

poe is using a "free to play" business model but its far from free. its the best business model today because it generates the highest income :mellow: gacha games are also "free to play", except they severely gimp the player who doesnt pay. poe uses the exact same model as gacha games and in the exact same way :mellow:

by this logic life is also "free". you can live close to a river and you will have food and water and in theory dont need to pay for anything. i dont see many people doing it though <_<



100% true
is poe a good game? sure. is it actually free? not by a longshot

Quote (ADDreen @ Sep 2 2024 09:27pm)

D4 is not free and u pretty much have to buy an expansion every year to not get pay-walled. Cherry on top is even by paying, u still dont have an end-game 1+ years later.

So i would way rather support a kickass game that gets better through the years, than waste money hoping one day d4 gets it right. Pure copium logic.

Beauty of poe2 is u can play the entire game for free, and if it sucks, not put a single penny in it. If u dont have any willpower and feel "forced" to pay for things, that speaks volumes on you than the game

Quote (Snyft2 @ Sep 2 2024 09:16pm)

you arent a poe player, are you ^_^ ? its one thing to not have the willpower and succumb to the pressure to buy a cosmetic armor set because your favorite streamer got it. but when you play for a day or two after the reset and literally have no stash space to put your items in, you run into some problems. now, you might want to (at least partially) solve those problems by trading the items away! except then you get fucked again because you dont have a premium tab :mellow:

now, i admit i sounded like a bit of a cunt in my former reply to you and im sorry for that. that wasnt meant to be directed at you, but at ggg. but as ^ZzEzZ said, if you defend this business model, you are either misinformed or intentionally misinforming others. for you it feels like its the former, which is good :blush: so again, im sorry for sounding like a dick, but what ggg is doing is extremely immoral so it kinda triggers me :cry:

Quote (ADDreen @ Sep 3 2024 03:21am)

the way i see, if you want to purchase more stash space, it's because they made a good game and you would actually want to reward the devs. if u think it's trash after playing it for a season, you would just stop playing and commit $0.
vs. u need to commit $70 to even try D4, for such a barebones experience a year after launch.

Quote (ADDreen @ Aug 29 2024 12:28pm)

Been a lifer for the Diablo series...was stupid excited once D4 was excited...been waiting an entire year for it to get gud...now I'm watching POE2 interviews...shit is night and day. It's going to completely obliterate D4...and it's FREE.
Will be the first time I've not preordered a sequel to D1.

Anyone else thinking the same?

Quote (Snyft2 @ Sep 2 2024 10:58pm)

to "reward" someone for a product indicates you made a conscious choice to give them something they want when you dont have to. if you have to, its called a trade. anything in between is called coercion <_<

this is exactly why the "free to play" business model is so insidious, people feel the need to defend it like it was a choice for a player to give ggg money, when in reality it isnt. if you want to play poe, you have to pay for it. there is no choice, this isnt about cosmetic transactions. you cant keep items, you can hardly even trade items. as ^junkie1991 said, poe free to try and thats where it ends

now if ggg was fair about it, it would be a trade. but them calling poe free is the same as vaxlords calling the vax optional and then locking you up and taking away your ability to trade until you took it. and i still didnt take it :mellow:



fun fact: "free to play" is basically the good old "freemium" business model thats been around for 40 years, just for video games specifically. but no one defends freemium even though its literally the same thing. my guess as to why is because a freemium program publisher explicitly says that you cant have some features of the program, while video game publishers dont. even though that is again literally the same thing, a freemium program will give you lets say 10 usages instead of infinite and poe will give you 4 stash tabs instead of infinite. and you can fuck yourself with limited usage in both cases. now whats not the same thing is that in the old freemium you can get infinite uses for a price, but in poe you cant get infinite tabs unless you have infinite money. so its just freemium, but worse. seriously how can you defend this :unsure:

Quote (ADDreen @ Sep 3 2024 05:16am)

you're so strung up on stash tabs.
how many stash tabs can you buy in POE with the $70+ you spent on d4, which irrefutably launched as an incomplete game?
how many stash tabs can you get in D4? 6 total, and they're going to add another tab or two with the paid expansion? with no possibility of expanding past blizz's caps, which forces players to purge their stashes as each season concludes.

Again, you can literally play the entire game for free, and if you think it's worthy of purchasing some stashes after playing it, you can do so; or quit with zero monetary loss. I already wasted the money i paid for d4 ultimate day 1, the first year was a paid beta test for the devs.