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Aug 16 2024 03:28pm
Quote (Twisted @ 16 Aug 2024 21:37)
Nah, I just decided it isn't worth my time or effort to argue with someone so ignorant and misguided. You can't educate someone who isn't willing to be educated, but because you asked me to bring something to the subject -

From my personal perspective, this is the most balanced game since Diablo 2: LoD. I applaud the developers for actually listening to the community and actively making changes season to season (for example, last season players complained that Barbs are overpowered and Sorc is underpowered. This season, Barbs have been brought more in line with other classes and Sorc now has 3x different viable builds and potentially more for endgame between Chain Lightning, Firebolt, Lightning Spear, etc.).

They might've overcorrected by making Lightning Spear so strong, but those who don't want to play that specific build still have other options. Basically, every class is able to farm Pit 101s+ and IH7-8s with several builds -

Druid - Landslide / Stormslide
Rogue - Barrage / Rapid Fire / Andys
Sorc - CL / LS / FB
Barb - Flay Bleed / WW / Bash
Necro - Bone Spirit / Blood Surge

You mentioned that this game is bad from a balance perspective because in your opinion, certain skills aren't viable while others dominate, but this is far more build diversity than exists in D2 LoD even 23 years after release... where a few top tier builds (Hammerdin, Lightning Sorc, Blizz Sorc, Lightning Fury Javazon, Mosaic Sin) have and still dominate everything in the endgame and most of the other skills and builds are trash tier.

So when you call out the Diablo franchise and then start trashing D4 because you, personally, don't understand the game mechanics, I find it funny because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It clued me in when you tried to trivialize theory crafting in D4... where people have to analyze the itemization and patch changes, test skill/item interactions and synergies, and come up with optimal combinations of allocating the 255 paragon points across 8-9 boards every season.

You're still entitled to your opinion, but I find your takes hilariously misinformed. Back to my suggestion... if you hate the game so much, maybe it's too complicated for you to understand. Perhaps find a simpler game or hobby that's more fit to your mental capacity. Maybe Tetris?



start trashing D4 because you, personally, don't understand the game mechanics, I find it funny because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It clued me in when you tried to trivialize theory crafting in D4. - it is nothing to understand here, everything comes down to maximizing damage, all best "builds", how you call them, were based on bugged/imbalanced mechanics brought by developers and were obvious from the start. What actually is funny, that you, and people like you try to bring this game as something "complex to theory craft about". This is what my initial post was about.

test skill/item interactions and synergies, and come up with optimal combinations of allocating the 255 paragon points across 8-9 boards every season. - those combinations are obvious.

if you hate the game so much, maybe it's too complicated for you to understand. Perhaps find a simpler game or hobby that's more fit to your mental capacity. Maybe Tetris? - I said multiple times, game is dumbed down as far as it can be, why you even say that lol.
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Aug 16 2024 05:37pm
Quote (Madmaxio @ Aug 16 2024 05:28pm)
start trashing D4 because you, personally, don't understand the game mechanics, I find it funny because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It clued me in when you tried to trivialize theory crafting in D4. - it is nothing to understand here, everything comes down to maximizing damage, all best "builds", how you call them, were based on bugged/imbalanced mechanics brought by developers and were obvious from the start. What actually is funny, that you, and people like you try to bring this game as something "complex to theory craft about". This is what my initial post was about.

test skill/item interactions and synergies, and come up with optimal combinations of allocating the 255 paragon points across 8-9 boards every season. - those combinations are obvious.

if you hate the game so much, maybe it's too complicated for you to understand. Perhaps find a simpler game or hobby that's more fit to your mental capacity. Maybe Tetris? - I said multiple times, game is dumbed down as far as it can be, why you even say that lol.


Like I said, you can't educate someone who isn't willing to be educated. I'm sensing some Dunning-Kruger Syndrome from you. You give me the same vibes as the out-of-shape guy screaming from his couch about how easy it is when watching Olympic Athletes perform on TV.

Diablo 4 is by no means perfect, but it's constantly being iterated and has a Dev team that actually seems to listen and care. I'm sorry you disagree and I do hope you find something that is more enjoyable. Have a wonderful day and good luck out there!
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Aug 17 2024 10:22am
From what I can tell, aoe is nerfed and single target is buffed
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Aug 17 2024 07:00pm
Quote (Apovax @ Aug 16 2024 10:10am)
You are as clueless as you are mad. :))

Ofc there is a huge amount of theory craft involved on all sides. The developers of the game and the community on the other side. Just because you copy paste builds in 30 seconds from different sites, doesn t mean that those people haven't spent thousands of hours testing, exchanging information and coming up with these pretty "standardized" builds.

This applies nowadays to any half decent game. I am not arguing D4 has the most complex system, but it s good enough to catch your ears for hundreds of hours, unless ofc you pay for a rush copy paste the builds and after 30 minutes: aaaaah where is the complexity. It s a fucking clicker game like all the rest in the genre. What do you expect.

Diablo 4 has an amazing world, great instances, decent itemization now. By far the most fluid and good looking gameplay in the market. Anyway.. you don t like it, just go play something else. That way you show the finger to the devs and get to enjoy your life instead of crying around for nothing you can influence.


:rofl: I get that this is your opinion, but damn, you must be one of the only people who actually think this, or you have very little exposure to anything else.

TBH if I saw just that one part posted by itself, I'd think it was 100% sarcasm dogging on the game, not your actual thought, because the world is bland, not sure what instances you are referring to as "great" and itemization is like picking the color of your sprinkles on ice cream thinking it tastes any different with green than blue.
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Aug 17 2024 09:17pm
Quote (Madmaxio @ Aug 15 2024 10:57pm)
Oh lol, let me guess how this process looks like:

1. Here is lightning spear.
2. Which aspect should we use for it? Fireball aspect maybe? Probably not, looks like we should use the one with damage for lightning spear.
3. What a surprise, all other skills are garbage compared to this (thank you blizzard) !
4. And this is THE BUILD. It was so hard to theory craft here, for many many hours.


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Aug 17 2024 11:36pm
Quote (Commm @ Aug 18 2024 03:00am)
:rofl: I get that this is your opinion, but damn, you must be one of the only people who actually think this, or you have very little exposure to anything else.

TBH if I saw just that one part posted by itself, I'd think it was 100% sarcasm dogging on the game, not your actual thought, because the world is bland, not sure what instances you are referring to as "great" and itemization is like picking the color of your sprinkles on ice cream thinking it tastes any different with green than blue.


Of course I actually think that. I played extensively almost every RPG / ARPG / TBS / TBAS on the market (except some asian games as I really don't dig the style) and for me none of the other games engines are even at 50 % of what D4 is. Does Last Epoch have extremely good mechanics / itemization wise - FUCK Yea it has that. But cannot enjoy either the world, story, lore, graphics, how you to move to zones. Do I play it every season ... yeah most likely. Is PoE super complex ? FUCK YES it is. You can dabble in hundreds of builds with decent itemization, half assed story. Lore is bullshit. But god damn it looks like a vomit on my screen. Cannot play that shit, except the occasional season when I am bored of all my other games. Grim Dawn was so fucking good. Played all of it like crazy--- but I am bored of it. That game had everything for me, just simply don't want to replay it anymore.


Now to D4. Obviously the "Story" in itself was gonna take a hit. This Franchise wasn't thought through initially for that many sequels. So now we live in a Diablo game without Diablo (obviously also for financial purposes). But the lore in itself is gg for me. The open World was a blast to discover in the beginning and even now to revisit through the helltides. Slowly going to have all my beloved Bosses from D2 and soon enough being able to farm them in a decent and meaningful way. Not just fucking teleporting liek a madman at hteir feet, hit them with blizzard and see if I get 6 town portal scrolls - and yes I am one of those who still play every D2R ladder reset and yes I still play Classic D2 on a private server kept by me and a friend up since about 8 years now for a closed community of around 20 people.


The itemization is solid in D4, no matter what you munchkins keep saying about it. Would I have wished that the weapon damage concept wouldn'T be that strong in the game... yes I admit that. But times evolve so do game mechanics, concepts, etc. It's more digestable by you know... the younger generations, so in the end I ain't gonna leave that small shit deter me in having fun. Would I wish for a purpose for yellow and blues, hell yes! DO I really want to pick up every fucking yellow to see if I get erep perfect stats and sockets .... nah bruh, no need that shit. Nor I don't need to find me that 4 socketed block increeased blue shield. Still I'd like some purpose to the items, I don'T have a solution for it tho. Would I love to see runes, runewords, sets, charms down the line? Yes I would. But I don't mind them coming in the game with any other expansion later. Would I love to see base building and an auction house? Yes and YES! There's so much that can come in the game. Do I love to PVP in D4? Don't love it but but absolutely enjoy it. Is it balanced - nope. Is there any balanced PVP in any RPG or even Arena simulator? NOPE there isn't. There are always snowball builds and TANK builds and ocasional meme builds. That's how it works.... there's always gonna be that build that defies all other mechanics or makes the game bland.

Dungeons / Endgame in D4 for me personally are really nice. So we clearly have just a few types of dungs but I dig all of them and what they bring to the feelign and lore of the game. Hopefully in the future we get a few more layouts or patterns let's call them. And as of endgame - I find it quite decent. There is a lot to farm for - gear min maxing, the random variables on the items + masterworking and tempering - great loophole. There is literally always something you can improve until .. your're done if you've played probably thousands of hours in a season or you have a huge community helping you out (pretty nice aspect to be fair). Then you've got now the endless Pit // Infernal Hordes as a really great concept in my opinion with the return of some badasses from D2 - love it. For whoever like that kinds of stuff even the free cosmetics every season is nice to farm and collect. Playing this game with music/in game sound is also absolutely brilliant.... I do have it off when I play with mates which is most of the time, but damn when I just game alone and have it turned on, i just enjoy it a lot.

So yeah man not sure what puts you off about the game exactly, but I find a plethora of things to enjoy. I do hope and wait for many other things to come and I am sure it will, but I am having a blast since day 1 in this game.

Cheers bud
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Aug 18 2024 02:58am
Quote (Apovax @ 18 Aug 2024 08:36)
Of course I actually think that. I played extensively almost every RPG / ARPG / TBS / TBAS on the market (except some asian games as I really don't dig the style) and for me none of the other games engines are even at 50 % of what D4 is. Does Last Epoch have extremely good mechanics / itemization wise - FUCK Yea it has that. But cannot enjoy either the world, story, lore, graphics, how you to move to zones. Do I play it every season ... yeah most likely. Is PoE super complex ? FUCK YES it is. You can dabble in hundreds of builds with decent itemization, half assed story. Lore is bullshit. But god damn it looks like a vomit on my screen. Cannot play that shit, except the occasional season when I am bored of all my other games. Grim Dawn was so fucking good. Played all of it like crazy--- but I am bored of it. That game had everything for me, just simply don't want to replay it anymore.


Now to D4. Obviously the "Story" in itself was gonna take a hit. This Franchise wasn't thought through initially for that many sequels. So now we live in a Diablo game without Diablo (obviously also for financial purposes). But the lore in itself is gg for me. The open World was a blast to discover in the beginning and even now to revisit through the helltides. Slowly going to have all my beloved Bosses from D2 and soon enough being able to farm them in a decent and meaningful way. Not just fucking teleporting liek a madman at hteir feet, hit them with blizzard and see if I get 6 town portal scrolls - and yes I am one of those who still play every D2R ladder reset and yes I still play Classic D2 on a private server kept by me and a friend up since about 8 years now for a closed community of around 20 people.


The itemization is solid in D4, no matter what you munchkins keep saying about it. Would I have wished that the weapon damage concept wouldn'T be that strong in the game... yes I admit that. But times evolve so do game mechanics, concepts, etc. It's more digestable by you know... the younger generations, so in the end I ain't gonna leave that small shit deter me in having fun. Would I wish for a purpose for yellow and blues, hell yes! DO I really want to pick up every fucking yellow to see if I get erep perfect stats and sockets .... nah bruh, no need that shit. Nor I don't need to find me that 4 socketed block increeased blue shield. Still I'd like some purpose to the items, I don'T have a solution for it tho. Would I love to see runes, runewords, sets, charms down the line? Yes I would. But I don't mind them coming in the game with any other expansion later. Would I love to see base building and an auction house? Yes and YES! There's so much that can come in the game. Do I love to PVP in D4? Don't love it but but absolutely enjoy it. Is it balanced - nope. Is there any balanced PVP in any RPG or even Arena simulator? NOPE there isn't. There are always snowball builds and TANK builds and ocasional meme builds. That's how it works.... there's always gonna be that build that defies all other mechanics or makes the game bland.

Dungeons / Endgame in D4 for me personally are really nice. So we clearly have just a few types of dungs but I dig all of them and what they bring to the feelign and lore of the game. Hopefully in the future we get a few more layouts or patterns let's call them. And as of endgame - I find it quite decent. There is a lot to farm for - gear min maxing, the random variables on the items + masterworking and tempering - great loophole. There is literally always something you can improve until .. your're done if you've played probably thousands of hours in a season or you have a huge community helping you out (pretty nice aspect to be fair). Then you've got now the endless Pit // Infernal Hordes as a really great concept in my opinion with the return of some badasses from D2 - love it. For whoever like that kinds of stuff even the free cosmetics every season is nice to farm and collect. Playing this game with music/in game sound is also absolutely brilliant.... I do have it off when I play with mates which is most of the time, but damn when I just game alone and have it turned on, i just enjoy it a lot.

So yeah man not sure what puts you off about the game exactly, but I find a plethora of things to enjoy. I do hope and wait for many other things to come and I am sure it will, but I am having a blast since day 1 in this game.

Cheers bud


Dungeons / Endgame in D4 for me personally are really nice - for you yes, for other people it has backtracking, uesless unnecessary objectives, no randomization and that's why they are boring.

Itemization is solid? You keep throwing this big words, but really, if you position yourself as arpg player, to call THIS solid is, well, strange.

Pit // Infernal Hordes as a really great concept - if someone like greater rifts idea, fine, it is better than nothing, but calling monser waves in single for eternity great concept? Again sounds strange.
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Aug 18 2024 03:01am
Quote (Commm @ 18 Aug 2024 04:00)
:rofl: I get that this is your opinion, but damn, you must be one of the only people who actually think this, or you have very little exposure to anything else.

TBH if I saw just that one part posted by itself, I'd think it was 100% sarcasm dogging on the game, not your actual thought, because the world is bland, not sure what instances you are referring to as "great" and itemization is like picking the color of your sprinkles on ice cream thinking it tastes any different with green than blue.


Absolutely true, game just throw at you those prebuilt items for your character. Please take this another XX% damage, thank you.
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