agreed with the meta stuff that's cool how the builds get cycled and buffed.

however, not sure if i can agree it's deeper than d2. can you expand a bit more what you mean by that? deeper by what? for example in itemization i feel like it's definitely not, maybe other areas it could be. not being argumentative just genuinely curious

what does grinding mean to you lol? does it mean i play 10-12hours a week grinding? you can't call playing a few or even 20hours a week grinding. The word casual means sometimes i play sometimes i don't, just like taking a casual shift at work. However, taking that into the game, diablo genre has always been about grinding, means you put in the work to grind hours after hours to get what you need or to level a certain character. Now i never said d4 should be exactly the same as d2. d2 has its flaws but 8hours to max out level on a character is hilarious. In season 1, guide never had shako or any uber in it to work because it was so hard to find a shako. Now you just have to level to 100 and get your free stuffs served to you. People like grinding in d4, i don't think so. They like it the easy way. RMT is a thing with all games that got people's interests in it, you can't stop it but only to play economy.
You said loot before lv 80 got no value in it. that's wrong sir. only the weapon that matters, ring ammy doesn't matter too much if it's under 925 as you only lost a few % of resistance or some armor which is capped at 9230 these days. Nmd 90+ is guaranteed to always drop 925 if that's how you level a character. nmd has been a joke this season as it seems like a walk in the park.
so the op's opinions are right. game keeps getting easier as people, the 'casual people' that don't play much but wanna push deep into pit complains. And d4 is not as deep as d2 btw lol. i could be playing d2 for 20 years and still don't have the bis helmet or amulet for a druid.

i'm that afk necro lol. hell yeah free loots haha

i appreciate you tbh. somtimes i just like to chill at the ritual and go on mount and run around in circles picking up cinders

I hope they will take a little bit back step about making game more easy, hitting level 100 is now stupid, just few days and done. Also capstones are not even challenge anymore, you can unlock tier 3 at lvl ~40-45 and tier 4 at lvl ~60. Back in days you died like instant if you were under 50 and 70 Also when ever they add Set items ( if they never will ) i hope they will make them smart and not op af… Also all Aspects should be a nerfed a bit so Uniques will became more usefull. Now ~90% unique items are trash and mostly sold for gold to merchant. Also Pit demons and boss should be same level, i mean it’s stupid when you can smash Pit 100 in 3-4 min but taking down boss takes that 10 min what is left 200 level monster should be harder or 200 lvl boss should be easyer, either way.

lvl 35 and 55 easily even if you have ubers to level the char

Builds in a dumb arcade game with XX% damage packed in every slot? Oh lol.

The game has always been ‘hard’ for the wrong reasons

Give us bosses with actual mechanics instead of huge aoes that one shot. As far as leveling and gear acquisition, of course they’re going to focus on the casual player base, as they should. If you have to spend 200 hours to build a reasonable char no one except the people playing 8 hours a day are going to continue playing

I would love to have a very hard game but in the end we all just pwm mobs to get those top tier items for that even faster cookie cutting. I think the balance in D4 is very good now. The leveling window period is just at sweet spot... You get at max level and then you can max your gear and have flexibility to use whatever build is best for you to push through the game to make your char even better and you end up destroying the game whilst also advancing in a concept like the pit where every increment in items makes you go further.

The hunt for 3 GA is real and brings that old D2 Trophy feeling back. Economy is working nicely, trading non stop in game actually makes sense now. On yhe other hand you can also craft some cool uber uniques but ofc .. 3 GA uber unique good luck with that.

There are hundreds of hours of grind in the game each season if you like stuff like that or thousands to perfect your account in non ladder.

Ofc we want more bosses (diablo maybe :d????), mechanics, new types of content, better incentive for pvp + team pvp like maybe arenas with que, new items (runewords, sets, charms), new classes and so oon.... but all in all D4 and it s future for me loooks amazing. Having a blast since launch day, especially season 3 and 4.

Comparing the wnd game curve of games from the 90s to the ones today makes no sense. I mean on our fucking 56k dial up we where not able to do anything properly plus there was no social media and only few venues like forums where like minded people where sharing knowledge and strats (thottbot, etc). We where elitists in becoming and now we are there. Now this is the way we play games we inform ourselves and simply take knowledge from everywhere in order to destroy any game.

This post was edited by Apovax on Jun 17 2024 07:05am

I agree with this. It does bring the good d2 feeling back with trading. Don’t think the op is complaining about this season. He is complaining about how every patch making it easier than it’s already sweet at the start of season. Lower health for tormented boss, pit boss, lower gold to masterwork. Oh cmon. I hope you got my point