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Sep 6 2023 01:52pm
it sucks they are turning this into an episodic story game. they havent even done a season worth playing and they want us to buy an expansion in a year?
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Sep 6 2023 02:33pm
I don t often join such discussions but here my 2 cents:

Blizz became a behemoth in the game industry in the last 30 years. Initial team was bought out around 3 times already (in 3 separate waves and merges). They came up with some amazing franchises (at the right time) which we all love to the bone otherwise we wouldn t be here.

The latest blizz developments are lately strongly well planned from a financial perspective. This kills a bit the expected quality of the games as we got used to 15-30 years ago. Now I am not going to excuse Blizz, but this is a systemic issue and not because Blizz doesn t want to deliver the most complete game in the market.

Think about it like this: you are a programmer/game designer with a bit of experience.. you love a Blizz franchise. You apply to blizz and of course you expect in Irvine / California a rather high salary for your services, otherwise you re gonna just help random crypto and gaming projects for much more dollares per month. Sure due to costs some parts of the games are done off-shore (china). Nobody wants to join blizzard nowadays just to develop Diablo and Warcraft franchise because it is fun and they want to make it better. People that apply there EXPECT high remuneration.

Blizzard is nowadays like any big corporation under huge scrutiny and the expectations are very high from the employees, from the customer, shareholders and other stakeholders. If you do not deliver tip top every year - you can close your doors rather fast due to the extremely fast economic cyclicity. So as a CFO you spend your nights trying to figure out you NEED to do in order to be alive next year. You might need to release a game faster, an extra expansion and so on.

Now you re gonna say... but you are paying those turds so much they should do a good job. Well game design is not any longer what it used to be. Especially in a well oiled machine like Blizz, nobody wants to take risks regarding game mechanics and systems. They could try to innovate a lot, but it doesn t bode well with the bottom line plus who is going to take this risk. The CFO or CEO with kids and family at home that wants to get his paycheck? The dev directors who want to get their pay checks?


Now coming to the game itself. D4 has to most fluid gameplay in the genre, albeit there are many flaws in the game (getting fucked from screen away, CC system, etc.). Still miles better than anything on the market currently. The game was clearly released early due to a financial burdain that forced them to do so. The CFO had to push the production and release otherwise the company would ve had big problems.
The silver lining of a blizzard game is that we get massive changes and updates non stop for the next period and the game will get much better.

You are now crying about paying for expansions. And yes it s not exactly great that we have to pay for them. But in order to feed this behemoth of a company this is the price to pay. And 95 % of the people are ready to pay for it, otherwise the franchises and the behemoth will go flat. We made it big, we fed the behemoth and now we are both mature and have a lot of needs. We will do our best to keep each other alive up to the moment one of us will go belly up and the other will follow very fast.


Cheers

This post was edited by Apovax on Sep 6 2023 02:35pm
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Sep 6 2023 03:13pm
Quote (Apovax @ Sep 6 2023 04:33pm)
I don t often join such discussions but here my 2 cents:

Blizz became a behemoth in the game industry in the last 30 years. Initial team was bought out around 3 times already (in 3 separate waves and merges). They came up with some amazing franchises (at the right time) which we all love to the bone otherwise we wouldn t be here.

The latest blizz developments are lately strongly well planned from a financial perspective. This kills a bit the expected quality of the games as we got used to 15-30 years ago. Now I am not going to excuse Blizz, but this is a systemic issue and not because Blizz doesn t want to deliver the most complete game in the market.

Think about it like this: you are a programmer/game designer with a bit of experience.. you love a Blizz franchise. You apply to blizz and of course you expect in Irvine / California a rather high salary for your services, otherwise you re gonna just help random crypto and gaming projects for much more dollares per month. Sure due to costs some parts of the games are done off-shore (china). Nobody wants to join blizzard nowadays just to develop Diablo and Warcraft franchise because it is fun and they want to make it better. People that apply there EXPECT high remuneration.

Blizzard is nowadays like any big corporation under huge scrutiny and the expectations are very high from the employees, from the customer, shareholders and other stakeholders. If you do not deliver tip top every year - you can close your doors rather fast due to the extremely fast economic cyclicity. So as a CFO you spend your nights trying to figure out you NEED to do in order to be alive next year. You might need to release a game faster, an extra expansion and so on.

Now you re gonna say... but you are paying those turds so much they should do a good job. Well game design is not any longer what it used to be. Especially in a well oiled machine like Blizz, nobody wants to take risks regarding game mechanics and systems. They could try to innovate a lot, but it doesn t bode well with the bottom line plus who is going to take this risk. The CFO or CEO with kids and family at home that wants to get his paycheck? The dev directors who want to get their pay checks?


Now coming to the game itself. D4 has to most fluid gameplay in the genre, albeit there are many flaws in the game (getting fucked from screen away, CC system, etc.). Still miles better than anything on the market currently. The game was clearly released early due to a financial burdain that forced them to do so. The CFO had to push the production and release otherwise the company would ve had big problems.
The silver lining of a blizzard game is that we get massive changes and updates non stop for the next period and the game will get much better.

You are now crying about paying for expansions. And yes it s not exactly great that we have to pay for them. But in order to feed this behemoth of a company this is the price to pay. And 95 % of the people are ready to pay for it, otherwise the franchises and the behemoth will go flat. We made it big, we fed the behemoth and now we are both mature and have a lot of needs. We will do our best to keep each other alive up to the moment one of us will go belly up and the other will follow very fast.


Cheers


nobody reading all that, d4 sux mate
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Sep 6 2023 03:28pm
Quote (IR0K @ Sep 6 2023 11:13pm)
nobody reading all that, d4 sux mate


Can t and won t argue with your personal belief. :)
I enjoy the game a lot. I am hoping still for much more content and improvement of systems but am having a blast still and most of my /f l is still active. Now of course we always play other games as well so yrah we aint fsrming D4 like in the first weeks of releaae or Season 1. But we will do so with every major patch, season, expansion.
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Sep 6 2023 04:11pm
Quote (Apovax @ Sep 6 2023 04:33pm)
I don t often join such discussions but here my 2 cents:

Blizz became a behemoth in the game industry in the last 30 years. Initial team was bought out around 3 times already (in 3 separate waves and merges). They came up with some amazing franchises (at the right time) which we all love to the bone otherwise we wouldn t be here.

The latest blizz developments are lately strongly well planned from a financial perspective. This kills a bit the expected quality of the games as we got used to 15-30 years ago. Now I am not going to excuse Blizz, but this is a systemic issue and not because Blizz doesn t want to deliver the most complete game in the market.

Think about it like this: you are a programmer/game designer with a bit of experience.. you love a Blizz franchise. You apply to blizz and of course you expect in Irvine / California a rather high salary for your services, otherwise you re gonna just help random crypto and gaming projects for much more dollares per month. Sure due to costs some parts of the games are done off-shore (china). Nobody wants to join blizzard nowadays just to develop Diablo and Warcraft franchise because it is fun and they want to make it better. People that apply there EXPECT high remuneration.

Blizzard is nowadays like any big corporation under huge scrutiny and the expectations are very high from the employees, from the customer, shareholders and other stakeholders. If you do not deliver tip top every year - you can close your doors rather fast due to the extremely fast economic cyclicity. So as a CFO you spend your nights trying to figure out you NEED to do in order to be alive next year. You might need to release a game faster, an extra expansion and so on.

Now you re gonna say... but you are paying those turds so much they should do a good job. Well game design is not any longer what it used to be. Especially in a well oiled machine like Blizz, nobody wants to take risks regarding game mechanics and systems. They could try to innovate a lot, but it doesn t bode well with the bottom line plus who is going to take this risk. The CFO or CEO with kids and family at home that wants to get his paycheck? The dev directors who want to get their pay checks?


Now coming to the game itself. D4 has to most fluid gameplay in the genre, albeit there are many flaws in the game (getting fucked from screen away, CC system, etc.). Still miles better than anything on the market currently. The game was clearly released early due to a financial burdain that forced them to do so. The CFO had to push the production and release otherwise the company would ve had big problems.
The silver lining of a blizzard game is that we get massive changes and updates non stop for the next period and the game will get much better.

You are now crying about paying for expansions. And yes it s not exactly great that we have to pay for them. But in order to feed this behemoth of a company this is the price to pay. And 95 % of the people are ready to pay for it, otherwise the franchises and the behemoth will go flat. We made it big, we fed the behemoth and now we are both mature and have a lot of needs. We will do our best to keep each other alive up to the moment one of us will go belly up and the other will follow very fast.


Cheers



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DIABLO 4 is dog shit probably
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Sep 6 2023 04:58pm
Quote (Apovax @ Sep 6 2023 01:33pm)
I don t often join such discussions but here my 2 cents:

Blizz became a behemoth in the game industry in the last 30 years. Initial team was bought out around 3 times already (in 3 separate waves and merges). They came up with some amazing franchises (at the right time) which we all love to the bone otherwise we wouldn t be here.

The latest blizz developments are lately strongly well planned from a financial perspective. This kills a bit the expected quality of the games as we got used to 15-30 years ago. Now I am not going to excuse Blizz, but this is a systemic issue and not because Blizz doesn t want to deliver the most complete game in the market.

Think about it like this: you are a programmer/game designer with a bit of experience.. you love a Blizz franchise. You apply to blizz and of course you expect in Irvine / California a rather high salary for your services, otherwise you re gonna just help random crypto and gaming projects for much more dollares per month. Sure due to costs some parts of the games are done off-shore (china). Nobody wants to join blizzard nowadays just to develop Diablo and Warcraft franchise because it is fun and they want to make it better. People that apply there EXPECT high remuneration.

Blizzard is nowadays like any big corporation under huge scrutiny and the expectations are very high from the employees, from the customer, shareholders and other stakeholders. If you do not deliver tip top every year - you can close your doors rather fast due to the extremely fast economic cyclicity. So as a CFO you spend your nights trying to figure out you NEED to do in order to be alive next year. You might need to release a game faster, an extra expansion and so on.

Now you re gonna say... but you are paying those turds so much they should do a good job. Well game design is not any longer what it used to be. Especially in a well oiled machine like Blizz, nobody wants to take risks regarding game mechanics and systems. They could try to innovate a lot, but it doesn t bode well with the bottom line plus who is going to take this risk. The CFO or CEO with kids and family at home that wants to get his paycheck? The dev directors who want to get their pay checks?


Now coming to the game itself. D4 has to most fluid gameplay in the genre, albeit there are many flaws in the game (getting fucked from screen away, CC system, etc.). Still miles better than anything on the market currently. The game was clearly released early due to a financial burdain that forced them to do so. The CFO had to push the production and release otherwise the company would ve had big problems.
The silver lining of a blizzard game is that we get massive changes and updates non stop for the next period and the game will get much better.

You are now crying about paying for expansions. And yes it s not exactly great that we have to pay for them. But in order to feed this behemoth of a company this is the price to pay. And 95 % of the people are ready to pay for it, otherwise the franchises and the behemoth will go flat. We made it big, we fed the behemoth and now we are both mature and have a lot of needs. We will do our best to keep each other alive up to the moment one of us will go belly up and the other will follow very fast.


Cheers


Trust me bruh....

It's all about pumping the stock price before the Merger deadline of October 18th 2023. Of course there is a juicy performance bonus allocated to the executives once the deal closes.
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Sep 6 2023 05:00pm
Quote (GabRulezII @ Sep 6 2023 02:29pm)
Enjoy your empty game with no content.

By the way, I sell bread sandwiches for 60$.


Haaaaaaaaaaaaah bread sandwich, does it come with grey poupon?
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Sep 6 2023 05:23pm
Quote (D2Ghosts @ Sep 6 2023 04:00pm)
Haaaaaaaaaaaaah bread sandwich, does it come with grey poupon?


Yes sir. Please find the information below:
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Sep 6 2023 06:15pm
Quote (GodlyWirt @ Sep 5 2023 03:41pm)
Diablo 4 will be released probably in 4 expansions each adding 25% of the games original content for the full price of the game, also 30$ to play 3 days early every expansion
Well played blizzard milk 400$ off a 10$ game value


Good math but I do like the new D4 expansion every year

That gives us new D4 nice cinematics trailer every year lol :D

Only good part of the game from blizzard
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Sep 6 2023 06:17pm
Quantity>quality.

Maybe we will someday get to the point where these dogshit gaming companies start losing money like Hollywood is with movies whenever they turn them into woke trash.

This post was edited by Dmitriy on Sep 6 2023 06:24pm
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