Quote (papasmurfs127 @ Jul 20 2023 07:24am)
don't think foh is the best choice I don't think it ever was but now there's tzones worth farming and some might have lot's of animels
best is cold sorc with sander charm by far
For PVM, the lightning damage side of FOH is pretty trash. Did some testing last night with it and 99% of the damage is the holy bolt, so it will come down to your preference on what other skills to use along side it. /players 1 it is, in my opinion, the best budget chaos build in the game now with just maxing holy bolt and FOH. Ran around with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2 are also all demons / undead, so there are multiple locations to farm with FOH / Holy bolt. Am I gonna play FoH Din? Yes but only when I reach Hell Chaos lmfao with decent dmg/good budget gear. Shits useless dmg wise with just dual spirits.. it barely ran A1 PITS which was all undead/demon on Players 1. I just respecced my hammerdin to a FoH paladin and man I’m impressed! Chaos sanctuary is a breeze! Only con I can say is cows and any non undead/demon enemies take a long time and is not worth it unless you are some type of hybrid. Currently trying to figure out how to get the most damage for FoH and I’m thinking of switching my 2x Ber CoA (I play hardcore) for a griffons socketed with a 5/5 facet. Currently dealing 5k with FoH, saw a video and a guy had his at 6k. Also FoH isn’t reliant upon FCR so I’m thinking of going from 125 FCR to 75 and maybe respeccing some of the gear. It’d be nice to get a discussion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm about to test FoH for Chaos tonight with a dual spirit, early game setup. From what I understand the build is better than Hammerdin early until you get farmed up. Afterwards Hammer will outpace it farm wise. I did chaos run today whit whit a friend who was dual spirit foh pala(I was whit hammer ,he whit foh). Basic build shako,dual spirit ,combat skiller amulet,raven.4 guys in game easy carry for foh. Early ladder foh pala dual spirit will be much better and safer then hammer. So I tested a few variations of FOHDin. What I found is early game it can operate as a smiting, caster. (Smite for short range, single target and FOH for long range and packs) I tested with basic, budget gear. It did decent even with level 20 FOH. I feel like if you go for damage/clearing FOH is probably comparable to Hammerdin. The issue is you can have a ton more MF with hammerdin without paying for 5/5 li may as well get the most out of a skill you’re using a ton instead of an Uber-specific option and speed up you’re entire run compared to a hybrid where the rest of the run is slower but you kill diablo 3 seconds faster. I don’t see how that benefits you. Pm me if you have any questions.For PVM, the lightning damage side of FOH is pretty trash. Did some testing last night with it and 99% of the damage is the holy bolt, so it will come down to your preference on what other skills to use along side it. /players 1 it is, in my opinion, the best budget chaos build in the game now with just maxing holy bolt and FOH. Ran around with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2 are also all demons / undead, so there are multiple locations to farm with FOH / Holy bolt. Am I gonna play FoH Din? Yes but only when I reach Hell Chaos lmfao with decent dmg/good budget gear. Shits useless dmg wise with just dual spirits.. it barely ran A1 PITS which was all undead/demon on Players 1. I just respecced my hammerdin to a FoH paladin and man I’m impressed! Chaos sanctuary is a breeze! Only con I can say is cows and any non undead/demon enemies take a long time and is not worth it unless you are some type of hybrid. Currently trying to figure out how to get the most damage for FoH and I’m thinking of switching my 2x Ber CoA (I play hardcore) for a griffons socketed with a 5/5 facet. Currently dealing 5k with FoH, saw a video and a guy had his at 6k. Also FoH isn’t reliant upon FCR so I’m thinking of going from 125 FCR to 75 and maybe respeccing some of the gear. It’d be nice to get a discussion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm about to test FoH for Chaos tonight with a dual spirit, early game setup. From what I understand the build is better than Hammerdin early until yougame it can operate as a smiting, caster. (Smite for short range, single target and FOH for long range and packs) I tested with basic, budget gear. It did decent even with level 20 FOH. I feel like if you go for damage/clearing FOH is probably comparable to Hammerdin. The issue is you can have a ton more MF with hammerdin without paying for 5/5 light facets. If ye available (per geamy 2x Ber CoA (I play hardcore) for a griffons socketed with a 5/5 facet. Currently dealing 5k with FoH, saw a video and a guy had his at 6k. Also FoH isn’t reliant upon FCR so I’m thinking of going from 125 FCR to 75 and maybe respeccing some of the gear. It’d be nice to get a discussion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm ound with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2ion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm about to test FoH for Chaos tonight with a dual spirit, early game setup. From what I understand the build is better than Hammerdin early until you get farmed up. Afterwards Hammer will outpace it farm wise. I did chaos run today whit whit a friend who was dual spirayers 1 it is, in my opinion, the best budget chaos build in the game now with just maxing holy bolt and FOH. Ran around with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2 are also all demons / undead, so there are multiple locations to farm with FOH / Holy bolt. Am I gonna play FoH Din? Yes but only when I reach Hell Chaos lmfao with decent dmg/good budget gear. Shits useless dmg wise with just dual spirits.. it barely ran A1 PITS which was all undead/demon on Players 1. I just respecced my hammerdin to a FoH paladin and man I’m impressed! Chaos sanctuary is a breeze! Only con I can say is cows and any non undead/demon enemies take a long time and is not worth it unless you are some type of hybrid. Currently trying to figure out how to get the most damage for FoH and I’m thinking of switching my 2x Ber CoA (I play hardcore) for a griffons socketed with a 5/5 facet. Currently dealing 5k with FoH, saw a video and a guy had his at 6k. Also FoH isn’t reliant upon FCR so I’m thinking of going from 125 FCR to 75 and maybe respeccing some of the gear. It’d be nice to get a discussion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm about to test FoH for Chaos tonight with a dual spirit, early game setup. From what I understand the build is better than Hammerdin early until you get farmed up. Afterwards Hammer will outpace it farm wise. I did chaos run today whit whit a friend who was dual spirit foh pala(I was whit hammer ,he whit foh). Basic build shako,dual spirit ,combat skiller amulet,raven.4 guys in game easy carry for foh. Early ladder foh pala dual spirit will be much better and safer then hammer. So I tested a few variations of FOHDin. What I found is early game it can operate as a smiting, caster. (Smite for short range, single target and FOH for long range and packs) I tested with basic, budget gear. It did decent even with level 20 FOH. I feel like if you go for damage/clearing FOH is probably comparable to Hammerdin. The issue is you can have a ton more MF with hammerdin without paying for 5/5 light facets. If you're just playing to test/fun setups it's probably a ton of fun though. This is just my play through and thoughts of a FRESH FoH Din. All items were self found in Players 8 HC Offline. If you're wanting to play that FoHdin in a group of 6-8 players, just know that with your non-endgame gear Damage. You'll just be a conviction/holybolt heal support din all the way to hell. When you leave the group make sure you at least reached A4 Hell. If not say hello to nightmare chaos for a long time lol. What about NM baal mf? Last wave will say fuck you. But if you're lvl 75-80+ and still having to mf nightmare you might do enuff dmg to kill last wave hopefully. Running chaos with mine has lvl 47 foh and approx 300mf. Clears everything with ease, also great for arcane sanctuary too! TBH, everything will be high priced early and quickly drop. What I would focus on is rather than try to purchase things which are quickly found and will cost all the forum gold you may have is try to selectively pick up what you haven't been able to obtain farming initially. This requires having character knowledge such as what alternative budget, gear options are available (per gear slot). What items may provide the most utility based on what you have found, etc. You could buy a spirit shield for 1k FG the first day. Or you could spend 20 minutes farming runes for spirit and buy the base for 400 fg. Knowing foh paladins will have a tough time with cows initially will mean bases may be harder to obtain for foh paladins. Asking what gear to buy first depends entirely on budget available. (You can buy anything but items have an opportunity cost). Probably doing runs in around 2mins for cs but im playing solo, is good up until about 5 players then it starts to slow down would say its faster than hammerdin in lower populated games and if your doing certain runs like trav/cs/arcane then it is the build to go for. The consensus is that holy shock synergy is not worth it, especially when running conviction, at the expense of the hybrid smiter as well. However 1pt fanat/smite can clear ubers just fine. And in order for smite to be a better single target skill than foh or holy bolt you need an elite pally shield and/or some crushing blow. Otherwise smite will be painful. Which honestly you’re unlikely to have either early ladder. And on p1 foh+conviction burn down most elites (non-Diablo) in just a couple of FoH strikes anyways. So the only thing smite is potentially better at during normal runs is clearing act bosses. Many dislike conviction and foh synergies since your primary damage dealer, but you still use foh a ton. Imo you may as well get the most out of a skill you’re using a ton instead of an Uber-specific option and speed up you’re entire run compared to a hybrid where the rest of t run is slower but you kill diablo 3 seconds faster. I don’t see how that benefits you. Pm me if you have any questions. For PVM, the lightning damage side of FOH is pretty trash. Did some testing last night with it and 99% of the damage is the holy bolt, so it will come down to your preference on what other skills to use along side it. /players 1 it is, in my opinion, the best budget chaos build in the game now with just maxing holy bolt and FOH. Ran around with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2 are also all demons / undead, so there are multiple locations to farm with FOH / Holy bolt. Am I gonna play FoH Din? Yes but only when I reach Hell Chaos lmfao with decent dmg/good budget gear. Shits useless dmg wise with just dual spirits.. it barely ran A1 PITS which was all undead/demon on Players 1. I just respecced my hammerdin to a FoH paladin and man I’m impressed! Chaos sanctuary is a breeze! Only con I can say is cows and any non undead/demon enemies take a long time and is not worth it unless you are some type of hybrid. Currently trying of switching my 2x Ber CoA (I play hardcore) for a griffons socketed with a 5/5 facet. Currently dealing 5k with FoH, saw a video and a guy had his at 6k. Also FoH isn’t reliant upon FCR so I’m thinking of going from 125 FCR to 75 and maybe respeccing some of the gear. It’d be nice to get a discussion started to figure out the absolute best route to go for this build. How are you all liking it so far? I'm about to test FoH for Chaos tonight with a dual spirit, early game setup. From what I understand the build is better than Hammerdin early until you get farmed up. Afterwards Hammer will outpace it farm wise. I did chaos run today whit whit a friend who was dual spirit foh pala(I was whit hammer ,he whit foh). Basic build shako,dual spirit ,combat skiller amulet,raven.4 guys in game easy carry for foh. Early ladder foh pala dual spirit will be much better and safer then hammer. So I tested a few variations of FOHDin. What I found is early game it can operate as a smiting, caster. (Smite for short range, single target and FOH for long range and packs) I tested with basic, budget gear. It did decent even with level 20 FOH. I feel like if you go for damage/clearing FOH is probably comparable to Hammerdin. The issue is you can have a ton more MF with hammerdin without paying for 5/5 light facets. If you're just playing to test/fun setups it's probably a ton of fun though. This is just my play through and thoughts of a FRESH FoH Din. All items were self found in Players 8 HC Offline. If you're wanting to play that FoHdin in a group of 6-8 players, just know that with your non-endgame gear Damage. You'll just be a conviction/holybolt heal support din all the way to hell. When you leave the group make sure you at least reached A4 Hell. If not say hello to nightmare chaos for a long time lol. What about NM baal mf? Last wave will say fuck you. But if you're lvl 75-80+ and still having to mf nightmare you might do enuff dmg to kill last wave hopefully. Running chaos with mine has lvl 47 foh and approx 300mf. Clears everything with ease, also great for arcane sanctuary too! TBH, everything will be high priced early and quickly drop. What I would focus on is rather than try to purchase things which are quickly found and will cost all the forum gold you may have is try to selectively pick up what you haven't been able to obtain farming initially. This requires having character knowledge such as what alternative budget, gear options are available (per gear slot). What items may provide the most utility based on what you have found, etc. You could buy a spirit shield for 1k FG the first day. Or you could spend 20 minutes farming runes for spirit and buy the base for 400 fg. Knowing foh paladins will have a tough time with cows initially will mean bases may be harder to obtain for foh paladins. Asking what gear to buy first depends entirely on budget available. (You can buy anything but items have an opportunity cost). Probably doing runs in around 2mins for cs but im playing solo, is good up until about 5 players then it starts to slow down would say its faster than hammerdin in lower populated games and if your doing certain runs like trav/cs/arcane then it is the build to go for. The consensus is that holy shock synergy is not worth it, especially when running conviction, at the expense of the hybrid smiter as well. However 1pt fanat/smite can clear ubers just fine. And in order for smite to be a better single target skill than foh or holy bolt you need an elite pally shield and/or some crushing blow. Otherwise smite will be painful. Which honestly you’re unlikely to have either early ladder. And on p1 foh+conviction burn down most elites (non-Diablo) in just a couple of FoH strikes anyways. So the only thing smite is potentially better at during normal runs is clearing act bosses. Many dislike conviction and foh synergies since your primary damage dealer, but you still use foh a ton. Imo you may as well get the most out of a skill you’re using a ton instead of an Uber-specific option and speed up you’re entire run compared to a hybrid where the rest of the run is slower but you kill diablo 3 seconds faster. I don’t see how that benefits you. Pm me if you have any questions. For PVM, the lightning damage side of FOH is pretty trash. Did some testing last night with it and 99% of the damage is the holy bolt, so it will come down to your preference on what other skills to use along side it. /players 1 it is, in my opinion, the best budget chaos build in the game now with just maxing holy bolt and FOH. Ran around with level 1 (base) redemption which was very nice. Was not using a merc, so maxing fanat is probably going to be strong with how much they buffed the A5 merc.The build was also very strong and killing trav (they are all demons) just using holy bolt. Safer than a hammerdin b/c of the range and no need to worry about hammers hitting walls. Pit level 1 / 2 are also all demons / undead, so therese smite will be painful. Which honestly you’re unlikely to have either early ladder. And on p1 foh+conviction burn down most elites (non-Diablo) in just a couple of FoH strikes anyways. So the only thing smite is potentially better at during normal runs is clearing act bosses. Many dislike conviction and foh synergies since your primary damage dealer, but you still use foh a ton. Imo you may as well get the most out of a skill you’re using a ton instead of an Uber-specific option and speed up you’re entire run compared to a hybrid where the rest of the run is slower but you kill diablo 3 seconds faster. I don’t see how that benefits you. Pm me if you have any questions.
