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Mar 24 2023 07:05am
Quote (GtMustang @ 24 Mar 2023 05:29)
Can you just stfu and go be negative somewhere else if you don’t like it don’t play the fucking game go hunt for shakos with all the Chinese bots on D2r you have been posting cry baby shit all week about trading, there is trading not everything but plenty to where the game will do just fine without your crying ass


I am not negative at all, thats just your perception from your own negativty within you.
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Mar 24 2023 07:09am
Quote (qabooze @ 24 Mar 2023 07:38)
Stop spreading lies

"The top-selling game of the franchise is Diablo III along with its expansion, Reaper of Souls, with over 65 million copies sold."


D3 was perfect until they closed the RMAH. after that 98,4% of the players stopped playing.

A very small amount of narcissists autists wanted to shut down trading and the AH. Because they couldn't handle being worse at trading than others and both type of players shared the ladder.

Blizzard made the mistake to block trading and they had to make crazy changes to itemization so that there was still some sort of goal in the game

The lesson of this for blizzard: leave Trading alone and run 2 ladders so both type of players can enjoy the game (trade ladder and non trade ladder). Besides that they need to invest a lot in bot catching. This will be a big money maker since the cheapest copy of the game is 70$.


D3 had that high sales because it was first sequel of D2 and people expected similar game but improved and it was ok until as you also noticed they removed open trade. I doubt D4 will have sales as high as D3 because many wont rush in it again.
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Mar 24 2023 07:13am
bount all, no shit bots for just make fg
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Mar 24 2023 07:17am
Quote (Returner @ 24 Mar 2023 09:13)
To be entirely honest, having played World of Warcraft where a similar system is in place, I'm a bit torn.
The idea that the game will be much cleaner and will not attract botters that will develop and end-game type of market within days of a new season seems pretty reasonable.
Althought we, the jsp users, are habituated, the fact that each season the D2R market is destroyed within a day or two rendering new players impossible to trade, is a reality and pretty problematic.

World of Warcraft has a similar set-up and it works well. It's also a smart way of identifying who is good at the game and should be recruited in a 4p party for high dungeons and who bought all their gear for 20$ off sites.
I'm carefully optimistic. I agree with the the fact that trading keeps the game alive, simultaneously this has proved to be like opening a can of worms with all the associated problems.


I think that Blizzard wants to make Diablo and Wow similar so same team can work on both games with not much effort, also not having open trade its easyer for them to merge those two games and not have to play for team of bot fighters in office.
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Mar 24 2023 07:19am
Quote (Teroz @ 24 Mar 2023 15:13)
bount all, no shit bots for just make fg


If you bind all.... You literally gonna have next D3 with 1000 players playing past the 3rd day in every seasons so far in the past several years. The fact that they will have Battle Pass means that they would actually care about How many players would actually play the game. D3 is not in this situation - they literally don't care about D3 anymore. They only support D3 servers because they are legally obligated to do so.

They somewhat found a middle ground.

But I can tell to you Sir... If you don't like trading and don't want to be part of it - JUST DON'T TRADE. Simple as that.
Making items bound isn't going to stop bots, because of the end game is all about farming 500 hours to find the perfect sacred item, while spamming the same dungeon - BOTS could just farm that instead of you.
But do you know what's the difference when you have all items bound???

--> YOU CAN NEVER CATCH UP ANYONE THAT IS ALREADY AHEAD OF YOU.... Oh you went on vacation for a week, now you are whole week behind the curve... Hm, is there a way to make up for that loss??? NO. NO. NO. Yeah good luck with the bound sht bud

This post was edited by bobsyns on Mar 24 2023 07:20am
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Quote (Teroz @ 24 Mar 2023 14:13)
bount all, no shit bots for just make fg


I am also and majorty is for no bots ofc, but i also know with removing of open trading there is big hole in arpg and yet they can't replace it with anything better but worst, making a game feels dull.

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Quote (bobsyns @ 24 Mar 2023 14:19)
If you bind all.... You literally gonna have next D3 with 1000 players playing past the 3rd day in every seasons so far in the past several years. The fact that they will have Battle Pass means that they would actually care about How many players would actually play the game. D3 is not in this situation - they literally don't care about D3 anymore. They only support D3 servers because they are legally obligated to do so.

They somewhat found a middle ground.

But I can tell to you Sir... If you don't like trading and don't want to be part of it - JUST DON'T TRADE. Simple as that.
Making items bound isn't going to stop bots, because of the end game is all about farming 500 hours to find the perfect sacred item, while spamming the same dungeon - BOTS could just farm that instead of you.
But do you know what's the difference when you have all items bound???

--> YOU CAN NEVER CATCH UP ANYONE THAT IS ALREADY AHEAD OF YOU.... Oh you went on vacation for a week, now you are whole week behind the curve... Hm, is there a way to make up for that loss??? NO. NO. NO. Yeah good luck with the bound sht bud


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Quote (bobsyns @ Mar 24 2023 02:19pm)
If you bind all.... You literally gonna have next D3 with 1000 players playing past the 3rd day in every seasons so far in the past several years. The fact that they will have Battle Pass means that they would actually care about How many players would actually play the game. D3 is not in this situation - they literally don't care about D3 anymore. They only support D3 servers because they are legally obligated to do so.

They somewhat found a middle ground.

But I can tell to you Sir... If you don't like trading and don't want to be part of it - JUST DON'T TRADE. Simple as that.
Making items bound isn't going to stop bots, because of the end game is all about farming 500 hours to find the perfect sacred item, while spamming the same dungeon - BOTS could just farm that instead of you.
But do you know what's the difference when you have all items bound???

--> YOU CAN NEVER CATCH UP ANYONE THAT IS ALREADY AHEAD OF YOU.... Oh you went on vacation for a week, now you are whole week behind the curve... Hm, is there a way to make up for that loss??? NO. NO. NO. Yeah good luck with the bound sht bud


Exactly! keep in mind, that anyone who is against others trading has a mental disorder in the area of Narcissism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others" Basically in the case of ARPG's they cant stand others being successful in a social skill (that you need for trading). They just look at their own competencies (that is playing 18x7 because they can't keep a job) that should make them more successful in the game (at least 1 thing in their life).

So yes, if you hear anyone that is against trading, keep in mind, they have a mental disorder.

That said I do believe we need to give those special people their own ladder. : "THIS IS THE BEST LADDER - NON TRADING" so they can compete with their cre-cre buddies while the 98.4% (this is the percentage of people that quit playing D3 after they closed the AH & Trading) of the rest of the people can just enjoy whatever they want to do in the game.

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Quote (linsanity1988 @ Feb 19 2023 04:30am)
thats one of the reason i stayed away from d4


This. And don't expect a good game with a proper trading system and economy from Activision any time soon... It will be another solo self-found crappy game with new flashy skills, and that's it.

This post was edited by cabalplayer on Mar 24 2023 08:08am
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Quote (qabooze @ 24 Mar 2023 15:51)
Exactly! keep in mind, that anyone who is against others trading has a mental disorder in the area of Narcissism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others" Basically in the case of ARPG's they cant stand others being successful in a social skill (that you need for trading). They just look at their own competencies (that is playing 18x7 because they can't keep a job) that should make them more successful in the game (at least 1 thing in their life).

So yes, if you hear anyone that is against trading, keep in mind, they have a mental disorder.

That said I do believe we need to give those special people their own ladder. : "THIS IS THE BEST LADDER - NON TRADING" so they can compete with their cre-cre buddies while the 98.4% (this is the percentage of people that quit playing D3 after they closed the AH & Trading) of the rest of the people can just enjoy whatever they want to do in the game.


They could literally do Label Tag on every Account - if you haven't Traded yet you will have SSF tag alongside you account name. If you did at least One trade - your label is gone....

That will help those people find each other alike and they are like... Oh sht man you are SSF as well? Yeah man, so cool.

Well theoretically these people who want only bound items are not being able to see the big picture. An open trading system provides opportunity for all players to participate in said "High level of progression", those who don't have time can do it otherwise ( $ ), those who does have time can just "Nerd gaming" ( play, play, eat,sht, sleep, play, play... ).

They don't realize that if you make everything bound.... Only the "Nerd gaming" will be the ones playing like in Games like ArcheAge that literally has 200 players on each server, because most sht is bound and the only ones left playing are the ones that have the time/fortitude to "Nerd gaming".
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