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Mar 31 2023 03:40pm
Quote (kayko @ Mar 31 2023 06:01am)
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What's the motive for going on the D4 boards and being disingenuous about what to expect? Just tell it like it is and people can make up their own minds. Doing this weird fake news thing isn't going to get people going back to D2 you know.
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What's the motive for going on the D4 boards and being disingenuous about what to expect? Just tell it like it is and people can make up their own minds. Doing this weird fake news thing isn't going to get people going back to D2 you know.


I honestly don’t care who plays what. I am more of a quality than quantity type of a guy.

I was disappointed with D3. With D4 I pretty much expected a D3 clone, with some enhancements, and that’s exactly what it is.

Just making fun of D4 and maybe putting into words some things others might have been thinking too but didn’t have time to analyze them.

Peace bro, go play D4. I am actually happy that the population of Diablo players naturally bifurcates here.
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Mar 31 2023 07:44pm
Quote (kayko @ Mar 31 2023 01:50am)
Nah.

You are one of those “You should buy it to try it” people.

That’s incorrect. If I don’t like BigMacs and someone gives me food that looks like a BigMac, smells like a BigMac, others tried it and say it’s a BigMac… I won’t be eating it just to make sure it’s a BigMac. I’ve seen enough.

Just like I’ve seen enough of the D4 gameplay and devs interviews to know what’s going on here.


1st, iam not one of those, iam 1/1
Also, you probably failed the test, since youre a casual.
Also, youre using your time - I mean, alot of time - talking about something you dislike and try to bring it down, that just shows how much time you have to waste in your irrelevant freetime. lol.
Finally, Go play what you like, that it the moral. Anything else is just waste. so all you said is waste.
Sit back, take notes, and grow.

D4 Hardcore is a gamer's game. You can say anything you want, you're irrelevant.

This post was edited by Legrand on Mar 31 2023 07:49pm
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I honestly don’t care who plays what. I am more of a quality than quantity type of a guy.

I was disappointed with D3. With D4 I pretty much expected a D3 clone, with some enhancements, and that’s exactly what it is.

Just making fun of D4 and maybe putting into words some things others might have been thinking too but didn’t have time to analyze them.

Peace bro, go play D4. I am actually happy that the population of Diablo players naturally bifurcates here.


The cold hard truth is D2 lacks both quality and quantity in this day of age, endgame is a small fringe group of PvP players who despite having 2 decades of time on their hands have never made it into esports or anything like that.

Other than that you have the super fun choices of either cheesing Ubers or slaving away grinding repetitive bosses to feed to the PvP players.

I was disappointed by D3 too, seems like you haven't played or looked into D4 much because besides being the same IP and genre (sort of) they aren't much alike at all.

The facts are D4 is closer to D2 in most ways.

You've been on the D4 boards making a bunch of false claims for at least a year now, why?
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Quote (kayko @ Apr 16 2022 06:46am)
So, I never had any hopes for D4 after it was first announced and the first gameplay was made public. I didn’t even really follow the updates much, that’s how disinterested I was. Fast forward 2 years and some new gameplay videos have been released. Watching them assured me that this will just be a D3 with darker color palette. Maybe they’ll implement some other minor improvements and the game could be called “D3.5”, or a “better D3” but that’s all.

A good Sci-Fi movie needs to have a set of coherent, logical and interesting laws of physics that describe the world where the action takes place. These can be different, or slightly different from the real world but they need to make sense to the viewer and be intriguing.

D1 and D2 were focused on creating a world that makes sense to us, humans. If you get hit you may need some time to recover (hit recovery). If you block it takes some time. If you swing a sword you swing a sword and hit or miss a monster. If you get surrounded by the mob you are stuck and you’ll likely die. And monsters have their hit recoveries, blocks and chance of missing you when they attack. So far this is representing the physics of the world we know, within the limitations of a game engine of course.

After the world that makes sense is established you can start to spice it up. Try to add things that do not exist but are easy to imagine how they’d work if they did. Fireball is essentially an explosion, lightning is, well lightning, some sort of electric discharge. Poison weakens you over time, whirlwind is a skillful and desperate weapon swing in an arc while running. They are “dialed up to 11”, but they are belivable.

All of these mechanics and skills start to interact with each other and you get builds that are optimized, efficient, good at killing density or at killing bosses or are difficult to kill and so on.

Also, the world in D1 and D2 is more… open. You can choose which areas to farm. They are different and different builds may be used. Farming chaos is different from travincal, which is different from cows, which is different from mephisto, which is different from ubers. The game doesn’t tell you what to do. It’s just there. The world invaded by monsters is there and the game mechanics / skills are there. And it is up to you to choose what builds you want to make and which areas to go to.

D3 has none of the things above. And it seems like D4 follows the path of D3. Instead of focusing on creating a convincing world mechanics the devs started from the end results: mighty barbarians, glass canon sorceress, agile amazons and try to hardcode them into the game in the form of one-click, all encompassing skills and „epic” graphical effects. The whole screen lights up and darkens when sorc casts lightning, barbarians cause minor earthquake that changes colors when swinging a sword into to the ground. All the time some epic music is played in the background and skills have far too impressive sound effects. It doesn’t make sense. It’s like telling me what you want to achieve without actually achieving it. This looks like a guy who wants to impress a girl with how rich he is buy taking loans for expensive cars and rolexes. Somebody trully rich doesn’t need to do this. And doesn’t need to overdo anything. He is who he is and it emanates from within. A well designed game doesn’t need all of these exaggerated effects. You feel as a tough barbarian or glass canon sorc because you are, in the realms of game mechanics, and not because the game tries to convince you with a disco light effects and calls you a „nephalem” every second sentence.

It’s all just an illusion. All of the characters are the same. Sorc is a long(er) range caster and barbarian is just a short(er) range caster. They all have AoE, they all move equally fast, they all are good at clearing density, bosses, uniques and they all play the same. There is no physics in this game. It doesn’t even try to simulate the real world. Characters just glide through the terrain, without any difficulties, monsters cannot really surround you and block your escape path, there is no hit recovery. You just sit there and cast skills and monsters do the same and the end effect is decided by a simple arithmetic calculation. A „gear check”, if you will. The game doesn’t even have any true mechanics. It just has special skills and special effects for everything. You click a button and a red AoE is cast. You click another and a blue one is cast. And even these climbing walls / jumping cliffs abilities they presented in D4 are just a gimmick. There are special places where you can click a button and be transported to somewhere else. That’s all. There is no true wall climbing or cliff jumping, it’s just another special-purpose, boring eye candy. Even the 3D look of these games is an illusion. You have one degree pf freedom: you follow the corridor or a path. It just so happens that it is surrounded by stone pillars or trees. You cannot interact with them, you cannot really block monsters behind them. You can’t even decide the route through the area, because the whole area is just one route and everything around is just a scenery, like in a theatre. And with how smooth the movement is and all of the mobility skills, the real space you are in is a graph of mobs clusters. You effortlessly glide from one pack to another, push the button and they disappear. The whole desert / jungle decorations are just there to distract you from how dull this whole “world” is.

Is D2 a perfect game? No, obviously not. Some builds are too powerful (e.g. hammerdin), some classes are too weak (e.g. druid), there are tons of exceptions to the rules of the game that you need to learn. But… it’s properly designed, interesting game. And because of that many people can forgive these imperfections.

D3, and most likely D4, are empty, flashy, vain animations, that want too fool you into believing that you are playing a real game.


TLDR "I can't make FG from botting so game is trash"

This post was edited by Igothacked19 on Mar 31 2023 09:34pm
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Quote (Legrand @ Apr 1 2023 03:44am)
1st, iam not one of those, iam 1/1
Also, you probably failed the test, since youre a casual.
Also, youre using your time - I mean, alot of time - talking about something you dislike and try to bring it down, that just shows how much time you have to waste in your irrelevant freetime. lol.
Finally, Go play what you like, that it the moral. Anything else is just waste. so all you said is waste.
Sit back, take notes, and grow.

D4 Hardcore is a gamer's game. You can say anything you want, you're irrelevant.


I like how you really think you cracked the code with this amateurish psychoanalysis don’t you? :lol:

I’ve presented my arguments and you have presented some imaginary “test for a casual gamer” and project many of your problems onto me. Take your own advice - go to your happy place if you don’t like what others are saying and think about the upcoming game.

I hope you spend thousands of hours in D4, I really do.

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The facts are D4 is closer to D2 in most ways.


Lol^2

Quote (Igothacked19 @ Apr 1 2023 05:34am)
TLDR "I can't make FG from botting so game is trash"


I’ve never botted but ok.
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Quote (kayko @ Apr 16 2022 06:46am)
So, I never had any hopes for D4 after it was first announced


Enough said of an argument, if you want any serious public/chat, that's the most serious thing you said, the rest is bias, if we're talking serious.

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I like how you really think you cracked the code with this amateurish psychoanalysis don’t you? :lol:

I’ve presented my arguments and you have presented some imaginary “test for a casual gamer” and project many of your problems onto me. Take your own advice - go to your happy place if you don’t like what others are saying and think about the upcoming game.

I hope you spend thousands of hours in D4, I really do.


Yes, imaginary test, psychology test. Somewhere out there. You're talking as if I invented introspective. As if I was trying to crack some codes or make deep reads on individuals.

So here I'll draw you a picture.
If you want a game just like D2R, guess what pal, there's D2R!! Isnt it wonderfull and positive?
Nothing else serious can be discussed with you, you're bias from the moment you enter the room. lActing like a rotten apple.

This post was edited by Legrand on Apr 1 2023 07:23am
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Quote (Legrand @ Apr 1 2023 03:22pm)
Enough said of an argument, if you want any serious public/chat, that's the most serious thing you said, the rest is bias, if we're talking serious.



Yes, imaginary test, psychology test. Somewhere out there. You're talking as if I invented introspective. As if I was trying to crack some codes or make deep reads on individuals.

So here I'll draw you a picture.
If you want a game just like D2R, guess what pal, there's D2R!! Isnt it wonderfull and positive?
Nothing else serious can be discussed with you, you're bias from the moment you enter the room. lActing like a rotten apple.


At least we agree on one thing. No reason for us two to discuss anything.

This post was edited by kayko on Apr 1 2023 07:26am
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Quote (kayko @ Apr 1 2023 09:26am)
At least we agree on one thing. No reason for us two to discuss anything.


No but I was still trying to help you out with some personnal decisions I made not to quit D2 and some friends.
And keep in mind all you said was D4 here D2 there sometimes D3...

Talk about D4 mate, its a new game, were in 2023. Its a series.. And it is not D3 wich was a bad game ill give you that. Cmon now... you also decided to expose yourself.
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No but I was still trying to help you out with some personnal decisions I made not to quit D2 and some friends.
And keep in mind all you said was D4 here D2 there sometimes D3...

Talk about D4 mate, its a new game, were in 2023. Its a series.. And it is not D3 wich was a bad game ill give you that. Cmon now... you also decided to expose yourself.


Listen, man...

I honestly am getting bored with your pseudo-intellectual sophisms with a psychological spin.

I know you think you are making a good, logical argument but you are not. It's just a pedantic word-salad.

Many people who think they are smart produce such constructs because they've read one philosophy book or because they had logic in their math 101 at the university.

And, just like these theological debates in the middle ages about nothing, you are prepared to argue to death. And in a bad faith.

I've stated how I view the problem in the first post in this thread. It's ok if you have a different opinion. And I really wish you many hours of playing D4. It ain't gonna be a blessing, as you may now believe it to be right now, but I wish you this anyway.

Now I am done talking to you. I am really not interested in what else your brain is going to produce but please do have the last word.
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