I disagree, it aged very well.

By open I don't mean "open world" pushed in games nowadays. I meant that you could do different things that you choose to do (ubers, keys, different farming areas for which different builds are optimal, ...). In D3 you just do the GRs and D4 won't be much different. Doesn't matter if you play a sorc or a barb, it's all the same, you are being forced into playing whatever the devs considered to be "endgame" and all classes and builds need to optimized towards this.

Maybe I should've used a different word than "open" to describe it, that's all.

Being forced to play a smiter if you wanna do ubers is the opposite of open. There's no GRs in D4 there's NM dungeons, world bosses, helltides, and the same repetitive boss farming D2 has if that's what people want to do. It's not even arguable how much more there is to do in D4.

Without different types of items none of those choices even matter. You have monsters that scale with you and I'm guessing there are no target farm areas like Diablo 3.

Basically you're given the illusion of choice when the only viable option is greater rifts. Due to the way the reward system works whatever is the equivalent to greater rifts will be the only option.

The itemization simply does not exist in D4 to even provide targeted farming. There are no runes, there are no base items with sockets, no useful lower level legendaries because legendaries scale with leveling, and the list goes on. The entire game is designed around one system - legendary aspects. Whichever area provides useful aspects and paragon levels is all you need to worry about. It's a system a mile wide and an inch deep. Whatever legendaries you do get to drop become your build otherwise you're ice skating up hill because of the monster scaling.

This post was edited by BlakeXeal on Mar 31 2023 06:20am

Haters gonna hate but D4 already set the new standard of games. and it just blasts the last 3 out of the park to my standards. D3 is just a 2k Minecraft, D2 is the best PvP game so far but soo much repeat mfing with no actual new systems but its still my go to game if D4 fails its standards, and DIablo 1 + Hellfire was the best dark game of its start in the 2000s when i was 6 but this new dark layout of D4 is already got me hyped like a champ.

The items well have still a choice of itemization once all its features get introduced but yea as you said there wont be as big as it is like D2R. BUT There will be runes. Unknown if there will be runewords tho.
We saw earlier in the developer video that they have runes but wont show them off in play until live servers.

Whatever you toxicers are gonna say about it here and not on the actual forums so be it but D4jsp trading is the now coming up already with 200fg per legendary item in the Beta (fixed already but will be more for rare items like D2) and now 10fg per 100k gold? thats already better system then the D3 Auction house lol.
Your pay to win comments can eat the dust with the actual work put in there lol.
(just my tidbit on the ah madness from before lol)

This post was edited by elementalcaster on Mar 31 2023 06:27am

Yes, in D2 you had true diversity of builds. Which means that some builds were good and specialized at farming specific areas and others were not.

In D3/4 all the builds will have the same AoE power, single target damage, will move equally fast and be roughly the same when it comes to tankiness.

Basically you will be able to choose the preferred color of your main AoE skill, that's it.

An illusion of choice, created by different graphical effects (not even that different, to be honest), which tries to cover how monotonous and uniform the game mechanics really is underneath.




Exactly.

This post was edited by kayko on Mar 31 2023 06:30am

D2 is more sandbox yes.

Does it matter that it's more sandbox? Nope because the game has already been solved.

Are all D4 builds from all classes going to be homogeneous at the end? Nope they won't, we've already seen many affixes that completely fuck over certain damage types, range, ect.

Does D4 have targeted farming? Yes it does, we already know certain mobs and bosses are more likely to drop certain things.

Is D4s endgame an "illusion of choice"? Nope, you have different incentives for each endgame activity.

Runes are confirmed btw just not on launch

green arrow good

huh end game will still be looking for items just this time they're yellow