Ya it goes to show you the lengths competent devs are willing to go to if they believe in their product. Both games have good endings.

This is one of the best explanations I've heard .

Bravo. And ty.

It's almost like the people you knew and played together with were d2 players. I had a lot of friends who played a ton as well. Guess what. There were some that were done playing within a few weeks, others that stuck around a few months. Some a few years. And one I still played with in 2005+.

What percentage of people do you think bought d2 and beat the game in NORMAL? I'm guessing the actual number would astonish you. Not that I have those numbers.

You have any context to this? Or just pretending to know what you’re talking about diablo 2 alive 20 years after release diablo 4 will be dead within 2 years… the game has been out a week and majority of players hate the game already.

We were also children / early teens in a time when video game development was pumping out vastly new things but not at such a frequent rate meaning you stuck with games longer. Its also why we have such fond memories, every game from our childhood was amazing as far as I can recall, but thats the rose tinted glasses.

I can return to any of my childhood classics easily because of that connection. Classic WoW, Diablo, the Warcraft RTS franchise, Age of Empires, etc. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

Look at any game on steam. Even ones that you think are great. And see that a sizeable portion of people don't get beyond a few hours of playing, if even that. You can play almost any title, and get an achievement that takes a few hours or days to get and suddenly you've played more than half the people who bought the game. It's just a fact that no game including ones who absolutely have crazy mass followings can hook most people for any real amount of time.

D2 was fucking incredible. Duh. But let's not pretend that it was unanimous. That every single player that picked up the game was hooked for years, or even months.

hogwash. they removed trading, fck'd up inferno, added primal ancient ancient bs, removed good rares, etc. if they would have left the rmah or at least some kind of trading i'd argue it'd still pretty popular today. this has nothing to do with me not liking it, when you strip trading and ruin itemization, you're degrading the arpg experience and objectively making it a worse game.

This post was edited by ChocolateCoveredGummyBears on Jun 12 2023 09:22pm

that's the worst explanation about d3 i've ever read. they didn't improve d3 at all, they killed that game off, that's the opposite of continual "improvements"

I can agree with this statement but also diablo 4 brings NOTHING new to the genre at all. It’s extremely stale, would diablo 2 be the game it was if released today hell no. Gaming has evolved but at its time it was incredible. Look at super Mario what end game was there however one of the most iconic games in history however for its time it was one of the best arguably… diablo 4 on the other hand is a mid game at best. With good cinematics and a lot of overhype.

Also classic wow (back then) and age of empires and diablo 2 are still replayable not because of nostalgia they were good games… I am in no hurry to play pong on Atari let me tell you

Saying actual good games from earlier generations of gaming is purely nostalgia seems a little off every generation had a few really good games that they are replayable still to today

This post was edited by GodlyWirt on Jun 12 2023 09:30pm