They went and focused on making the game work on console and aimed it as a quick cash grab from casual gamers, ofc it's dead lol

Plus they still didn't learn lessons from the flop that was d3

did you start seasonal or eternal? eternal is next to non existent and season is kind of at its dead state now. come back at s10 maybe

I started as seasonal but I don't think anyone plays w/o the expansion.
The game just doesnt feel fun enough to invest in the expansion tho.

Game only satisfies people who want one shot builds (or close too) and just copy and paste the same builds with no chance of non meta builds having a chance.

Part of the nail in the coffin for this game was whatever dev thought torment 4 should be for *minimal players* is a tart. If the next expansion ever sees the light of day and flops that's it for d4 it will be put to pasture like d3.

The game is beyond broken... the state it was in at initial launch for dps / monster health - toughness I don't think was bad, needed some work yes but wasn't bad. Then they went and killed it with higher dps then nerf it into the ground since they don't even play their own game and people make the build as intended but it does too much damage lol... plus they pick what is gg / meta to play for a few seasons then nerf them into the ground and bring up another 2 maybe 3 builds for a few seasons. Build diversity is essentially nonexistent well if you like playing end game (which is very lack luster) but t4 is part of end game.

Long as people buy platinum, battle passes, and etc this game will be dead as it gets, they make tons of money off the in game shop, so why care about the actual quality of product.

End game is finding your gear which 1 ga is best your going to pull off with how rare 2 - 3 gas are that drop with useful stats. Once you have your Mythics / tempers and aspects you're done.

This post was edited by Tharealest89 on Jul 27 2025 01:50pm

Dont understand comments like this. I was playing PoE2 in 0.2 Lich Summoner, and I remember watching Ghazzy second day of the season having problem clearing T1 maps, had to refine the build even to do that. PoE2 is the kind of the game where you need exact right combination of skills, gems, passives, just to finish campaign and play T1 maps, yet its celebrated.

Meanwhile in D4, I tried Charged Bolts last season on my sorc. Its one of the worst skills in game, so you wont even find a build guide out there, so I had to make my own build. Even with casual tempering and masterwork, I was able to clear T4 bosses and push pits 75+ (and I was playing with Vyr mastery, was not even abusing Enlightenment bug, with that I would probably do pit 85++). So D4 in fact offers dozens of builds on every class capable of playing T4 and at least mid-tier pits.

Think his point is the game is rather considered easy at this point. The progress is fairly easy, from levelling to gearing. Dupes obviously play a huge part of it too.
I don’t agree with his ‘copy and paste’ opinion. Game is designed in a way that only a certain amount of builds would come out on top. You’ve need to pick up this aspect or that unique or get some multiplier from skill tree. Streamers usually spend their whole life once pbe is released or when season started so it does not necessarily mean the build belong to them because they were first to make it. That’s a silly opinion. First man to walk on the moon so the moon probably belongs to him, the second or third guy doesn’t matter.

yeah i would think so too. game isn't worth its pricetag for the game itself and the expansion

60 lvl cap is gay

Nice