bro nobody wants to spend his time in leveling lol. People wanna play game, make builds and kill mobs, not *leveling*.
Baalruns are always open for you, join any time, get your last lvl, spend you lifetime for grinding experience

Aite

Omega lul, you’re talking like d4 season 1 leveling was as hard as d2. It was much harder than this season yes, but was it too hard? Nope, i spent a week to max out 1 character considering the season lasts 3 months. People make builds? Yeah sure 80% players braindead copying from online build without even bother reading it. This is too casual for the genre of grinding game.

and now you can make 4 characters per week and enjoy them instead of grinding levels lol. People take builds and tune them to their gameplay. And you forget you need gear to make build work. So you can farm lvl 100 in d2 like a braindead or you can enjoy gameplay. Even you name genre as 'grinding game' not 'lvling game'

Also say what non casual thing were you doing to diablo, will be funny to know

This post was edited by mabp on Jun 16 2024 07:19pm

Grinding and casual can’t be in the same sentence together lol. Yes d2 is also braindead these days but the game has been out for 24 years now. After 24 years of course people have already played the shit out of it. But in the first few years when d2 just came out, people would have no clues how to build where to farm or what to do. And that process of leveling is for them to understand the game and the character. Now comparing that to d4 today, you can now 1-100 within 8hours lol, go copy a top meta build online, on top of that get an uber unique for free with given free sparks. Better yet, people still complains about how pit is too hard or not enough drops. I call that too casual and somewhat pathetic. Now they’re hitting a wall at pit 120-130. After nerfing pit allowing people to do 140-150, they will complain again where they hit a wall at 150ish.

Leveling is to understand how a build work as well as enjoying the killing monsters part you spoke about. If everyone thinks like you, no wonder people all over discord are always ‘where’s the build link?’, ‘why do i need this or that?’

People grinding items and get their dopamine when see good item. Instead of spending hours and hours for lvling and understanding hidden mechanics and breakpoints.
Builds variety in d4 much more higher then in d2. Meta changing every week, so you can can make your build and you have a chance that it will work. All was talking that ww dustdevils are bad, now people talk it is the best build for speedfarm. People were talking how broken necro, but it is complete shit in high tiers. So it is 100% better then d2.

Free uberuniques? Lol, you have to spend 20 hours of grinding on shitty characters to get your uber. And it will be without greater affixes. So go farm another 20 hours to have a try.

Do not see any fun in making tmp build just for lvling when you know that you will drop it soon. In like next few days

Also, you didnt answer - what non casual things were you doing in diablo series?

This post was edited by mabp on Jun 16 2024 09:11pm

Lol, 20hours of grinding, what a great effort considering it’s a grinding game. 20hours are a bit slow, there are guide online for roughly 10hours max iron wolves grind. Are you forgetting the fact that when you’re leveling in world tier 4 in nmd, you are also killing monsters and getting loot. Why are you talking like you can only get loot after you hit 100. Meta changes everyweek? What meta? Are you refering to streamers changing their builds week in week out? Btw, no where in my comments mentioning d2, idk why you decided to bring a 24years old game in and bash it, not to mention it still has good player base up until now, and the d2jsp was founded upon d2. Stop bashing d2 for no reasons and admit that d4 has been a lot more casual than ever.

Grinding the word itself is already non casual.

This post was edited by junkie1991 on Jun 16 2024 09:19pm

funny when you got the afk necros just sitting around helltide rituals doing nothing. one shotting blood maiden over and over again and just picking up loot lol

don't even have to b-word at that point hey, blizz finally found a solution after all these years!

This post was edited by ChocolateCoveredGummyBears on Jun 16 2024 09:38pm

I literally used my second account to level a rogue to 100, all glyphs I needed to 21 and such in a matter of hours last night, all my gear is 2+ GA and all I gotta do is masterwork the affixes I need and I'm done. 12 hours later. Game is easier than the sims.

you need 4 characters 5 hours each for getting your uber. Loot you got before lvl 80 at least has no value bcs of item power, so yes, you just spending time for lvling

Do not understand what do you mean asking about meta. Meta is meta - it is most efficient builds. Doesnt matter who made it public - streamer or not, too much variations changing from patch to patch, always something new.

D2 is in context of our discussion as an example of worst possible implementation of leveling process.

D4 more casual and user friendly, its truth. It is also deeper and well-maked than d2.

No bro, grinding is casual thats why ton of people do it right now across all platforms in d4. Bcs people like grinding.
Pushing highlvl pits/gaunjtlets for top 10 is only not 100% casual thing in diablo series. But I'm not sure, bcs of trading and rmt - most people in ladder top doesnt do anything difficult mechanicly. Any top 10% moba ladder player will compete with them with ease