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Nov 29 2023 11:12am
Quote (C4NTWO @ Nov 29 2023 05:59pm)
you do realize this is a joke right? :blink:


I do but not everyone got shako from dupes :)
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Nov 29 2023 11:22am
Quote (Vfiker @ Nov 29 2023 05:53pm)
Why should I salvage my shako If I got it from my own farmed mats? on the beginning of season?


ah, ssf players
the vegans of arpgs
...
fine :cry:
you dont have to <_<
BUT EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO SEND A MESSAGE
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Nov 29 2023 11:33am
I don't want to be ethical <_<

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So, your argument is essentially that because people used duped Duriels to get the Shako, it's unethical to have a Shako.

Some problems philosophically speaking. (I'm a philosopher)

(1) It presupposes that all who got the shako was acquired by duped Duriels
(2) All items acquired from duped Duriel mats should be technically non-ethical to have (so we should salvage anything we get)
(3) Selling instead of salvaging can be a viable option

From a Kantian perspective with deontological system of ethics, a moral or ethical principal belongs to the categorical imperatives, which asserts moral obligations be objective where it could universally apply to all people. Since not all people got their Shakos from duped mats, it wouldn't apply.

From a utiliarian system of ethics, it postulates to do what is most helpful and useful. I don't see the teleology of salvaging a Shako benefiting myself in my gameplay of slashing demons, even if it was attained through duped mats.

From a virtue system of ethics, maybe it can develop a sense of character by doing something dumb, but getting the virtue of self-sacrifice and selflessness can be attained without salvaging Shakos. In fact, it encourages a bit of recklessness and anger/resent.

TL;DR: All in all, the connection of us salvaging our shakos has little or nothing to do with ethics or moral obligations as we have seen the major ethical systems (although there are more). If you want to talk about ethics, you should at least be familiar with Kant and the epistemology or ontology of ethics my friend.
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Nov 29 2023 12:19pm
Quote (Snyft2 @ Nov 29 2023 06:22pm)
ah, ssf players
the vegans of arpgs
...
fine :cry:
you dont have to <_<
BUT EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO SEND A MESSAGE


I love meat though 😎
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Nov 29 2023 12:43pm
Quote (DK007 @ Nov 29 2023 07:08pm)
So, your argument is essentially that because people used duped Duriels to get the Shako, it's unethical to have a Shako.

Some problems philosophically speaking. (I'm a philosopher)

(1) It presupposes that all who got the shako was acquired by duped Duriels
(2) All items acquired from duped Duriel mats should be technically non-ethical to have (so we should salvage anything we get)
(3) Selling instead of salvaging can be a viable option

From a Kantian perspective with deontological system of ethics, a moral or ethical principal belongs to the categorical imperatives, which asserts moral obligations be objective where it could universally apply to all people. Since not all people got their Shakos from duped mats, it wouldn't apply.

From a utiliarian system of ethics, it postulates to do what is most helpful and useful. I don't see the teleology of salvaging a Shako benefiting myself in my gameplay of slashing demons, even if it was attained through duped mats.

From a virtue system of ethics, maybe it can develop a sense of character by doing something dumb, but getting the virtue of self-sacrifice and selflessness can be attained without salvaging Shakos. In fact, it encourages a bit of recklessness and anger/resent.

TL;DR:All in all, the connection of us salvaging our shakos has little or nothing to do with ethics or moral obligations as we have seen the major ethical systems (although there are more). If you want to talk about ethics, you should at least be familiar with Kant and the epistemology or ontology of ethics my friend.


ty brother, god tier shitposting
all hail brother kant who says that d2 dupes are ethical af
i knew that all along!
crossed would be proud if he was here, i miss he :cry:

Quote (Vfiker @ Nov 29 2023 07:19pm)
I love meat though 😎


you really dont adhere to any social norms, do you :cry:

Quote (hungryparrot @ Nov 29 2023 06:33pm)
I don't want to be ethical <_<


is the only way, as the d2 ancients foretold ^_^ !
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Quote (Snyft2 @ 29 Nov 2023 07:53)
remember a few months ago when those damn d2 grandpas said how duping wasnt a bad thing at all? and most of you were like noo, dupes kill the economy :cry: ! you agreed to implement trade restrictions to combat those evil hackers!
you sure showed them a thing or two about morality!
but now you got ur shako i hope?
how much did it take you, 150~200 runs?
good thing you could afford it, right? sets were kinda cheap after all!
sure would have been expensive as shit if there were no duping...most of you wouldnt even have that shako right now!
and remember a few months ago when everyone was like "we need to combat dupes, dupes are bad"
well, you have your shako now
BECAUSE OF DUPES

damn d2 grandpas were right again

but theres a way to win this battle and show who has the moral highground!
which is why im starting the "salvage my shako" initiative
now, i dont have a shako
but i sure would salvage it if i did!
lead by example! show its only ethical to not have a shako! or any other uber unique!
we all need to convey the message that duping is unethical :cry: !


This is why we do not let you out of the PoE forums :D
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Nov 29 2023 04:54pm
Quote (bodierox @ Nov 29 2023 11:36pm)
This is why we do not let you out of the PoE forums :D


thanks :hug:
feels nice to be appreciated :blush: !
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Nov 29 2023 04:58pm
Quote (bodierox @ Nov 29 2023 04:36pm)
This is why we do not let you out of the PoE forums :D


I can't imagine he has much time invested anywhere else... but stranger things have happened.
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Nov 29 2023 05:07pm
salvage your copy of d4. that'll put you out of your misery
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