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Nov 28 2023 09:51am
RMT is a feature of all games now because the core goals of game makers and players are opposite each other.

Game makers want to keep you engaged and maximize profit. They want you to log in every day, talk about the game, and spend your time and money with their products.

Players want to maximize enjoyment of the game. They want value out of their time spent.

So the goal for both is to find the middle ground. You still have to kill 1000 boars, but you get a shiny item or exp at the end of it that you get value from. Game makers need to create engaging experiences that are fun for players.

Howevwer, they don’t. They rush games to market with emphasis on the initial sale. They minimize development time and make promises to players, whereas the only true people they seek to serve are the share holders looking at quarterly profit metrics.

Now many gamers are adults with jobs who can’t put 10 hours per day into a game. So the logical thought is, “I make xx dollars per hour at my job, so my time in game can and should translate to a similar return in value. Why would I spend a week killing 1000 boars when I can buy the same end reward for 30 minutes of my time in currency?”

Sorry to ramble and someone smarter than me can probably write a whole thesis on the state of gaming today. To answer your question, I think it should be open trade because the market finds its way there eventually anyway.

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Nov 28 2023 11:06am
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you can say whatever you want. The fact is apex always in top 10 in steam and it is the most skill-based battle-royal now. All games I listed above are good for competitive pvp (except CoD probably). It is reality. And pvp in d2 is shit for dads who cant play competitive. It is reality too. Also. can you give me a link to any d2-streamer (formerly is good too) which is good in any competetive game? Would be great to watch him. I sure it is easy for you, as an experiences d2 player knows his community

Just fun fact. Opened Cooleys stream few weeks ago. And he was killing people by full geared barb in open lobbies which were trying to finish act quests together. All you have to know about d2 pvp and community.


idk what a cooley is but thats like saying hey basketball sucks because tyrone here can 21-0 little jimmys kindergarten team :P when in fact not many people here seem to even know how real d2 pvp looked like <_< people talking shit about a community they were never a part of, reminds me of calling a plumber in serbia and then he gets drunk and messes everything up and floods you and at least 3 neighbors and when you tell him bro what the fuck, he says "well hey mr. IT sector, you think ur better than me? well ur not. university means nothing! NOTHING! i could have done the same, i just didnt want to! you guys dont know what real struggle looks like!" :lol:

also d2 pvp scene ended way before twitch was even a thing <_< looking for a d2 dueler who streams is like looking for a blacksmith who drives a tesla. im sure some are there, but its very unlikely to find as those two existed in two different times :P and what you are trying to do now is saying those arent good blacksmiths because "only old ppl do that now, also ppl work harder now so they would be better at blacksmithing than an actual experienced blacksmith" ^_^ try with DHA i guess, maybe he still plays original d2 idk, also be sure to tell him that hdin is a shit char only noobs play, im sure he will respond favorably to that ^_^
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Nov 28 2023 11:46am
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idk what a cooley is but thats like saying hey basketball sucks because tyrone here can 21-0 little jimmys kindergarten team :P when in fact not many people here seem to even know how real d2 pvp looked like <_< people talking shit about a community they were never a part of, reminds me of calling a plumber in serbia and then he gets drunk and messes everything up and floods you and at least 3 neighbors and when you tell him bro what the fuck, he says "well hey mr. IT sector, you think ur better than me? well ur not. university means nothing! NOTHING! i could have done the same, i just didnt want to! you guys dont know what real struggle looks like!" :lol:

also d2 pvp scene ended way before twitch was even a thing <_< looking for a d2 dueler who streams is like looking for a blacksmith who drives a tesla. im sure some are there, but its very unlikely to find as those two existed in two different times :P and what you are trying to do now is saying those arent good blacksmiths because "only old ppl do that now, also ppl work harder now so they would be better at blacksmithing than an actual experienced blacksmith" ^_^ try with DHA i guess, maybe he still plays original d2 idk, also be sure to tell him that hdin is a shit char only noobs play, im sure he will respond favorably to that ^_^


dont talk that you dont know this guy


Okay, d2 players are blacksmiths that continue talking that horses and horseshoes are great. While all other world racing teslas. :rofl:

Then just dont talk how good d2 pvp and speedruns, they probably were good(no, never) long time ago. And now it is 100% shit and any good player in any competetive game will confirm my words.

Btw quake arena was hyped that time and any good quake player will say that pvp in d2 is shit
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Nov 28 2023 02:35pm
Quote (Snyft2 @ Nov 28 2023 08:11am)
happy you found some use of it :blush: !

and well...as someone whos been dueling in d2 for years, i think im versed enough to say that d2 pvp wasnt easy at all :wacko: i for example still to this day cant play a hdin or bvc well :cry: i mean yeah i always had lag issues and you dont play those with high ping, but still, its a fact that doing certain things in d2 requires a LOT of skill and experience...so yeah, i dont believe someone could play d2 for a few months and land anywhere near the top of the pvp scene in any realm (apart from us west because us west is a shit realm and people are just bad, best regars to they ofc)

and no its not for 50 year olds as reaction time has always been very important in d2 pvp ^_^ thats a funny story actually if ur interested in anthropology! when i was starting d2 dueling i got massively raped by a couple of ppl from finland, and noticed that theres something about finnish people that makes them very good at d2 pvp. and not just d2 and not just pvp, but any speed related gaming in general (speedruns for example). back then i didnt know what that was :unsure: later i learned about the iq/reaction time relation which explained it as finland has the highest avg iq in europe, and thus fastest avg reaction time, which overrepresented them in speed related gaming activities :blush: !



based ^_^
d4 is literal shit


Didn’t know that Fins were master race - I’m like 25% Fin. Grandpa was full Finnish. Cool fucker too, moved to USA when he was a teenager so speaks perfect English, and of course Finnish. Obviously I never learned Finnish -.- probably need to BE Finnish AND speak Finnish for this master race genius to work :wacko:

My mom and grandpa do have high iq tho.

Wish I grew up in Finland, I coulda been speedmastergamer maybe

This post was edited by Commm on Nov 28 2023 02:37pm
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Nov 28 2023 04:48pm
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dont talk that you dont know this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBe2FgWPBB8

Okay, d2 players are blacksmiths that continue talking that horses and horseshoes are great. While all other world racing teslas. :rofl:

Then just dont talk how good d2 pvp and speedruns, they probably were good(no, never) long time ago. And now it is 100% shit and any good player in any competetive game will confirm my words.

Btw quake arena was hyped that time and any good quake player will say that pvp in d2 is shit


never heard of him ^_^

and no, my comparison was ad hoc :blush: most comparisons are! i mean yeah i actually do think horses are great and way more stylish and worth more than a fucking tesla and i would pay more for a race horse than a tesla, but still, it was an ad hoc comparison so it shouldnt really be extended beyond the specific situation :unsure:
as for the other things, imma go 100% midwit and ask for source cause i personally know people who liked both <_< hell, i liked both quake arena and d2

Quote (Commm @ Nov 28 2023 09:35pm)
Didn’t know that Fins were master race - I’m like 25% Fin. Grandpa was full Finnish. Cool fucker too, moved to USA when he was a teenager so speaks perfect English, and of course Finnish. Obviously I never learned Finnish -.- probably need to BE Finnish AND speak Finnish for this master race genius to work :wacko:

My mom and grandpa do have high iq tho.

Wish I grew up in Finland, I coulda been speedmastergamer maybe


:lol: !

yeppers :blush: ! any speed related game, or even sports! for example formula 1 and shit that needs fast reaction time as its IQ related to an extent! i learned that in anthropology class, there was a question "why is education in finland so good?"
cause on paper, it sounded random af, i mean nothing special etc. but in reality it did work
conclusion was, finnish education worked simply because it was in finland :lol: i mean you can give the best education to a retard and you wont get jack shit, and in this case the opposite happened, you had a high iq masterrace that could work with pretty much any education ^_^

also that smiley -.- :lol: i remember that one i actually saw first in d2, still using it in phone messages ^_^
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