Quote (NateFizzle @ Aug 11 2023 12:35pm)

You lost me when you said D2 had strategy and compared it to chess lol. Pvp sure, but pvm D2 was much more of a joke than D4.

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Aug 11 2023 04:15pm)

no it's not just you. the game is doo doo

Quote (Jewsus @ Aug 12 2023 12:22am)

You sound like one of those 1200 elo players that tells everyone they play chess because it’s the game of kings or something. There are more possibilities in ten frames of Diablo than all positions in chess added up.

My point is that the joy in chess is how you play it, and the pride you have in learning/improving/figuring people out.

When d2 launched, we were kids and had no idea how the games systems worked, so you ended up clapping for joy when you found a five socket maul that you could put emeralds in because it allowed your Lvl 22 barb to kill a cow if you timed it right and ran away.

That’s cleverness and innovation being rewarded, rather than identity and cosmetics and some weird hitlerian lust for power that the devs keep saying that we play for.

Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Aug 11 2023 06:15pm)

no it's not just you. the game is doo doo

Quote (Snyft2 @ Aug 11 2023 08:20pm)

cute writing style, i like :wub:

but yeah, where did just playing for fun go :cry: ? it feels like we have a chore list of things we need to do :(

Quote (Jewsus @ Aug 11 2023 11:07am)

Just wanted to see if I hit my head here, because I haven’t seen any criticism on a topic that I think is the single biggest issue with this game - it’s missing Diablo’s snappiness.

For d1 and d2, both were games with near-instant responsiveness, which would give you clear “I can’t do this yet” feedback, letting the success of your game be based on how fast and how well you do things.

All I’ve seen, from the alpha to now, is a focus on “power fantasy” and damage numbers, and “making the player feel like they’re progressing”, which it looks has made the game so achingly meta and self-aware that it feels like it’s been dumbed down to such an extreme degree. D1 was a program someone wrote to let you kill skeletons in a satisfying way. D4 is an object on a spreadsheet with X features, where X is the most broadly-known attributes of a previously successful title.

If McDonald’s followed this strategy, they would sell a vaguely burger-shaped blob that is one third fries, one third chicken, and one third Big Mac, with no cohesion or any of the distinct features that made each product successful on its own.

This game feels clunky, and the only risk to your character is getting one-shot. I’ve played to 55 and I genuinely do not understand how you guys play this, it’s like playing d2 over a Webcam feed from Justin.tv in 2008 while you steal Wi-Fi from Starbucks from the parking lot.

There’s no difficulty in escaping/strafing monsters, there’s no value to positioning other than stepping out of traps, and there’s no quick thinking needed - you either survive the burst damage or you don’t.

I don’t get it, the game feels like it was designed by people who don’t play video games based on a description someone gave them of what it’s like to play Diablo.

The point of d2 isn’t loot or “feeling powerful”, it’s about figuring a way out to beat the game with a high degree of success, compared to your previous experience. It can’t be defined in one sentence, and it’s a vague, general feeling of getting better at a game. Loot was only a part of this.

The same way chess is satisfying to play, d2 was satisfying. There was risk and strategy, and not simply “you can’t do this yet because you don’t have the gear” or “well scale this monster down for you to be able to kill”.

Is it just me? It feels like the whole dynamics of d2 were rejected in favor of what some MBA’s understanding of d2 was based on Surveys.

It also feels like nothing changed since the alpha trailer, but hey.

Am I taking crazy pills?

Quote (Jewsus @ Aug 11 2023 03:22pm)

You sound like one of those 1200 elo players that tells everyone they play chess because it’s the game of kings or something. There are more possibilities in ten frames of Diablo than all positions in chess added up.

My point is that the joy in chess is how you play it, and the pride you have in learning/improving/figuring people out.

When d2 launched, we were kids and had no idea how the games systems worked, so you ended up clapping for joy when you found a five socket maul that you could put emeralds in because it allowed your Lvl 22 barb to kill a cow if you timed it right and ran away.

That’s cleverness and innovation being rewarded, rather than identity and cosmetics and some weird hitlerian lust for power that the devs keep saying that we play for.

Quote (Jewsus @ Aug 11 2023 02:07pm)

Just wanted to see if I hit my head here, because I haven’t seen any criticism on a topic that I think is the single biggest issue with this game - it’s missing Diablo’s snappiness.

For d1 and d2, both were games with near-instant responsiveness, which would give you clear “I can’t do this yet” feedback, letting the success of your game be based on how fast and how well you do things.

All I’ve seen, from the alpha to now, is a focus on “power fantasy” and damage numbers, and “making the player feel like they’re progressing”, which it looks has made the game so achingly meta and self-aware that it feels like it’s been dumbed down to such an extreme degree. D1 was a program someone wrote to let you kill skeletons in a satisfying way. D4 is an object on a spreadsheet with X features, where X is the most broadly-known attributes of a previously successful title.

If McDonald’s followed this strategy, they would sell a vaguely burger-shaped blob that is one third fries, one third chicken, and one third Big Mac, with no cohesion or any of the distinct features that made each product successful on its own.

This game feels clunky, and the only risk to your character is getting one-shot. I’ve played to 55 and I genuinely do not understand how you guys play this, it’s like playing d2 over a Webcam feed from Justin.tv in 2008 while you steal Wi-Fi from Starbucks from the parking lot.

There’s no difficulty in escaping/strafing monsters, there’s no value to positioning other than stepping out of traps, and there’s no quick thinking needed - you either survive the burst damage or you don’t.

I don’t get it, the game feels like it was designed by people who don’t play video games based on a description someone gave them of what it’s like to play Diablo.

The point of d2 isn’t loot or “feeling powerful”, it’s about figuring a way out to beat the game with a high degree of success, compared to your previous experience. It can’t be defined in one sentence, and it’s a vague, general feeling of getting better at a game. Loot was only a part of this.

The same way chess is satisfying to play, d2 was satisfying. There was risk and strategy, and not simply “you can’t do this yet because you don’t have the gear” or “well scale this monster down for you to be able to kill”.

Is it just me? It feels like the whole dynamics of d2 were rejected in favor of what some MBA’s understanding of d2 was based on Surveys.

It also feels like nothing changed since the alpha trailer, but hey.

Am I taking crazy pills?

Quote (Jewsus @ Aug 11 2023 02:07pm)

Just wanted to see if I hit my head here, because I haven’t seen any criticism on a topic that I think is the single biggest issue with this game - it’s missing Diablo’s snappiness.

For d1 and d2, both were games with near-instant responsiveness, which would give you clear “I can’t do this yet” feedback, letting the success of your game be based on how fast and how well you do things.

All I’ve seen, from the alpha to now, is a focus on “power fantasy” and damage numbers, and “making the player feel like they’re progressing”, which it looks has made the game so achingly meta and self-aware that it feels like it’s been dumbed down to such an extreme degree. D1 was a program someone wrote to let you kill skeletons in a satisfying way. D4 is an object on a spreadsheet with X features, where X is the most broadly-known attributes of a previously successful title.

If McDonald’s followed this strategy, they would sell a vaguely burger-shaped blob that is one third fries, one third chicken, and one third Big Mac, with no cohesion or any of the distinct features that made each product successful on its own.

This game feels clunky, and the only risk to your character is getting one-shot. I’ve played to 55 and I genuinely do not understand how you guys play this, it’s like playing d2 over a Webcam feed from Justin.tv in 2008 while you steal Wi-Fi from Starbucks from the parking lot.

There’s no difficulty in escaping/strafing monsters, there’s no value to positioning other than stepping out of traps, and there’s no quick thinking needed - you either survive the burst damage or you don’t.

I don’t get it, the game feels like it was designed by people who don’t play video games based on a description someone gave them of what it’s like to play Diablo.

The point of d2 isn’t loot or “feeling powerful”, it’s about figuring a way out to beat the game with a high degree of success, compared to your previous experience. It can’t be defined in one sentence, and it’s a vague, general feeling of getting better at a game. Loot was only a part of this.

The same way chess is satisfying to play, d2 was satisfying. There was risk and strategy, and not simply “you can’t do this yet because you don’t have the gear” or “well scale this monster down for you to be able to kill”.

Is it just me? It feels like the whole dynamics of d2 were rejected in favor of what some MBA’s understanding of d2 was based on Surveys.

It also feels like nothing changed since the alpha trailer, but hey.

Am I taking crazy pills?