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Does Vulnerable apply to Dot Dmg with Poison imbument or does it not affect the dmg of the skill? Building a pull Psn dmg rouge and am wondering if i should get rings with Vuln/Crit chance/Close dmg or go with Crit chance/Close/Psn or Dot dmg to maximize the Psn dmg per tick.

What would be the IDEAL Ring stat for Full PSN dmg. It is for pvp, I am already at the 200% crit dmg Threshold.

Same question with Sword, 1 dagger is Condemnation for 30x dmg with combo, other sword i have now is Close dmg/Vuln/Dex/Crit but i am over the crit cap, So would Close/Dex/Core/Dot or Poison Dmg be better?

My line of thinking is anything that increases Twisting blades base dmg will increase the psn dmg applied, from my understanding If twisting blades crits it does not apply MORE psn dmg , only the base dmg of the weapon.
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Aug 7 2023 08:45am
Close, Dex, Core, All Stat
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Aug 7 2023 09:52am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Aug 7 2023 03:45pm)
Close, Dex, Core, All Stat


Dex is trash apart from dodge %
All stats only for paragon board (usually xbow allstats is enough)

I think youre right for poison damage ( but why do we need more poison damage!?)

Vuln prob still better i guess for shield?

Starting to think the high dps 3 affix weapons are best for pvp...

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Aug 7 2023 09:58am
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Does Vulnerable apply to Dot Dmg with Poison imbument or does it not affect the dmg of the skill?
My line of thinking is anything that increases Twisting blades base dmg will increase the psn dmg applied, from my understanding If twisting blades crits it does not apply MORE psn dmg , only the base dmg of the weapon.


From my experience this was true. Increasing your hit adds to the poison damage (pretty much old poe dot mechanics when you could double dip with some %x multipliers). TBh i always got lucky hit (i used a lot of cc on lucky hit aspects like shared misery and the poison imbue pool) or life rolls on my rings but i was pvm.

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Aug 7 2023 10:42am
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Dex is trash apart from dodge %
All stats only for paragon board (usually xbow allstats is enough)

I think youre right for poison damage ( but why do we need more poison damage!?)

Vuln prob still better i guess for shield?

Starting to think the high dps 3 affix weapons are best for pvp...


Depends on your paragon board. Lots of variation for Rogues. I personally need dual all stats on both my Xbow and Dagger to hit last bonus.

Dex is top 4 stats for psn rogue. Unless you have data to suggest otherwise

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Aug 7 2023 10:50am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Aug 7 2023 05:42pm)
Depends on your paragon board. Lots of variation for Rogues. I personally need dual all stats on both my Xbow and Dagger to hit last bonus.

Dex is top 4 stats for psn rogue. Unless you have data to suggest otherwise


Its damage bonus is minor at best from my tests using paragon board.

Seen some koreans saying the same thing too

Did you hear something different? Have you tested?
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Its damage bonus is minor at best from my tests using paragon board.

Seen some koreans saying the same thing too

Did you hear something different? Have you tested?


What would you suggest as the top 4 Stats if we were to take out Dex?

Vul Damage has been tested and many are saying it does not work for Rogues in PVP. The vul proc does work, but something about damage bonus does add that much. It does work for Barbs/Necs/etc. I have not personally tested this. Psn Rogues don't really need Crit Damage that much either. So you're essentially left with:

Dexterity
All Stat
Close Damage
Damage over Time
Core Skill Damage

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Quote (Azn Masta @ Aug 7 2023 05:55pm)
What would you suggest as the top 4 Stats if we were to take out Dex?

Vul Damage has been tested and many are saying it does not work for Rogues in PVP. The vul proc does work, but something about damage bonus does add that much. It does work for Barbs/Necs/etc. I have not personally tested this. Psn Rogues don't really need Crit Damage that much either. So you're essentially left with:

Dexterity
All Stat
Close Damage
Damage over Time
Core Skill Damage


Ye i said the same thing about vuln but it does seem to work on shield though.

Honestly im pretty lost myself

But maybe a 840 power 3 affix weapon is best

Core
Crit imbue
Basic damage

These affixes seem to have most effect to damage on a weapon

But basic damage kinda sucks so maybe all stats dex is better for the almost 2% dodge per weapon.

Tldr im not sure :rofl:





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Quote (jackherer @ Aug 7 2023 10:52am)
Dex is trash apart from dodge %
All stats only for paragon board (usually xbow allstats is enough)

I think youre right for poison damage ( but why do we need more poison damage!?)

Vuln prob still better i guess for shield?

Starting to think the high dps 3 affix weapons are best for pvp...


I dont think Dex is trash Bc I compared a 807 weapon with crit/vuln/Dot DEx and 814 All stat Same stats , and the base dmg of my twisting blades was better than the All stat 814 weapon. by atleast 100 dmg with full combo stacks.

There is a side quest you can do on rouge @ lvl 100 which can grant you a 845-850 1h sword with DOT dmg stat/psn dmg i believe and you roll the last stat to Vuln or dex/ Dex increased the base dmg of twisting blades which in turn increases the amount of poison dmg you give each time it hits the enemy , Crits do no make the psn value higher.
Also a Super elite can drop a PSN based Daggger @ item lvl 840 if ur lucky 3 affix. But i prefer to use condmnation for 30x dmg with 3 combo points and 1 sword or dagger, But im starting to think since crit is capped at 200% and is usless for psn dmg, Dagger would be the best option more attack speed and the close dmg implicit actually increases the poison dmg.

This post was edited by Unusualhairyload on Aug 7 2023 06:18pm
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Ye i said the same thing about vuln but it does seem to work on shield though.

Honestly im pretty lost myself

But maybe a 840 power 3 affix weapon is best

Core
Crit imbue
Basic damage

These affixes seem to have most effect to damage on a weapon

But basic damage kinda sucks so maybe all stats dex is better for the almost 2% dodge per weapon.

Tldr im not sure :rofl:


Crit imbuned dmg doesnt affect the amount of poison dmg you inflict, That stat seems to cater more for Shadow imbument build . Crits dmg dont increase poison Dmg, Core also does increase the overall dmg of twisting blades. I think the goal is to get twisting blades dmg as high as possible for maximum output of poison per tick

At lvl 80, I inflict around 90k psn per hit of twisting blades. with half the paragon board not done nor my glyphs maxed.

Damage over time Stat and + poison damage seem to increase the Poison dmg inflicted my a lot , Same with imbument damage affix on chest/amulet, On amulet it goes up to 42%

I wish the game had a Test dummy to be able to test ur dmg out on. Or a reliable calculator that calcuates imbument dmg

This post was edited by Unusualhairyload on Aug 7 2023 06:23pm
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