This is true. But that doesn't mean you can't have alts or even a sister dark side guild

This is just a guild for the Pre-Launch program and to start out the game.

Very true, applying now

It will have a sub-forum, it'll probably have more subscribers than WoW in six months from now. Not only swtor will "steal" a lot of the WoW-subscribers but GW2 will also make a lot of people quit WoW. And there's no way GW2 will reach higher subscribers than sw:tor.

i should hope not since it isnt a subscription game. A larger playerbase? sure it will.

Yeah I meant playerbase, and no it won't. Obviously none of us can prove it now since there's nothing to prove but let's review these posts 6 months from now

I can just say that pre-orders in the US only and ONLY physical pre-orders (ppl who went down to the store and pre-ordering it there) are above 500,000 copies and that's a fact. Now add digital pre-orders in the US which there are a lot more of (which I know from polls on the official forums) then you can add another 1,500,000 copies (since the ratio is around 3:1 in favour of digital pre-ordering iirc) so that'll be around 1,500,000-2,000,000 copies PRE-ORDERS just in the US. In Europe the numbers haven't been revealed but it's probably somewhat the same. And these numbers are already 2 weeks old. We're looking at approximately 3,500,000+ pre-orders (possibly more), and let's not talk about how many people will be playing one month after release, right now there's a lot of people who have no idea that this game is even on the way.

I'm not even being optimistic when I say 3,000,000 at the official launch. During the early game access those millions of players who pre-ordered the game will be talking about this game so much to friends who hasn't pre-ordered the game so that when the game reaches the official launch (20th Dec in US, 22nd Dec in EU) then those numbers will have jumped even further.

It wouldn't surprise me if there's A LOT more than 3 million players after the first week. Hell, Rift had like 1 million subscribers at launch and that game wasn't even close to the hype that sw:tor has and sw:tor has a fan-base far larger than Rift and GW2 together. Not only because of the Star Wars universe but also because of BioWare's earlier games.

Now consider this. The timing is flawless. I think we can all agree that WoW has reached its peak a long time ago and it's just downhill from here on out. Most people who's still playing WoW are doing it because there's nothing better to play yet and tbh most of them are bored to hell and are just waiting to jump to the next new thing. You noticed that in Rift especially, but that game failed, which wasn't any surprise to me if I may add. GW2 won't be out for a while and let's not talk about D3, we all know Blizzard. If that game is being released before 2013 then props to Blizzard lol.

I know plenty of "famous" WoW PvE guilds and PvP players/guilds who're going to give WoW a break and try out sw:tor. If sw:tor succeeds, they'll stay, and bring a LOT of fanbois with them. Those fanbois will then bring their friends etc. That's how it works with successful MMOs. 1 player tells 2 players. Those 2 players tells another 4 players.

There's no doubt that sw:tor will reach an extremly high number of subscribers on launch date and the following weeks. The question is if BioWare can maintain them in the long run. I think they can but only time will tell.


And to end this whole small wall of text. We're 3 months PRIOR to the release date. There'll be PLENTY of more pre-orders until then. All these numbers can only increase from now and up till the release date.

This post was edited by eschutaz on Oct 4 2011 04:37pm

I got a re-invite for this weekend's beta test. If anyone else got in let me know. I might try out the republic side this time, but we'll see.

Just to add to my previous argument here's the topic where 72% says they pre-ordered it online and 28% saying they bought it down at the store.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=473062&highlight=digital+pre-order

Here is the numbers from VGChartz where it says ~413,000 has pre-ordered the physical edition in the US. However that number is more than one month old. And it says there that the weekly change is 29,256 pre-orders. You do the math and you'll realize that now in October those pre-order numbers are far above 500,000 pre-orders.

http://www.starwarssverige.se/index.php?topic=197.0

US physical pre-orders: 500,000+
US digital pre-orders: ~1,500,000
EU physical pre-orders: Unknown (but probably somewhat the same as in the US)
EU physical pre-orders: Unknown x 3



Once again we're almost 3 months prior to release. If there'll be approximately 29,000 more physical pre-orders every week then that's another 360,000 physical pre-orders AND another 1,080,000 digital pre-orders if the ratio remains the same.

The numbers I stated in my first post with 3,000,000-3,500,000 pre-orders is what we're looking at NOW in early October. That's why I'm saying I won't be surprised if it's A LOT more than 3 million subscribers at launch.

This post was edited by eschutaz on Oct 4 2011 05:09pm

Anyone else just got invited to beta? I just did

Not I. They keep avoiding me

Lucky