Yeah I played to black hammer flashpoint or w/e it's called n then logged off cause I didn't want to miss playing it when beta over lol

beta still open lol till 12 tonight

Really? Cause I'm pretty sure the quests are exactly the same, just disguised through voice acting to sound like something more important. Voice acting and a 'good' story, which isn't really good, don't make the game any less grindy. The Black Talon flashpoint is probably the most boring thing I have ever done in a game. Every single boss has the exact same mechanic, he drops droids, you walk away from them, she does a bladestorm, you walk away from her. Every Flashpoint I've done has been tank and spank, with the occasional "move 2 feet".

It's one thing to hype the game, but atleast be realistic about it. Combat and animations are awful in TOR even after millions of people complaining about them for 1-2 years. For a game of this size and with a budget that big with two HUGE names backing it, you'd think it'd be a lot more polished. Bioware should've stuck to single played games, since that's pretty much what TOR plays like.

Also, it's safe to say you've never done much in WoW. TOR forces you to listen to the story, and that's a bad mechanic. Its your choice to pay attention to it in WoW, nearly everything ties together somewhere else in the game. Raids and dungeons have always had lore/story in them to give you a better feel of immersion.

This post was edited by Xeonics on Nov 28 2011 03:23pm

I agree with some of the things you're saying. Played the beta for a month and tbh the story isn't really that good. The class stories are awesome (apart from the Jedi Consular's), but all the side quests are boring. In the beginning (first 10 lvls) it's interesting because it's a new system that you're not used to in MMOs, but later you just skip to the last sentence because 9 out of 10 times the whole objective is described in the last sentence: "... so therefore you have to find Lord Ubagar and destroy him, he's probably hiding in the cave west from here. May the force be with you". And even if they don't describe it in the last sentence you can just press M and check where to go on the map. The side-quests doesn't affect the main story anyway.

I really hate the companion system. More than anything. The fact that you can level a profession to max lvl without actually doing anything apart from spending credits is just bad design imo. Also I just think they're annoying. I'm glad they removed them from warzones and operations!

Also the game didn't feel smooth to me at all mainly because of the animations (especially jump animation!!). PvP felt 100x slower and less skill-based than WoW. (No need debates about whether mmo's requires skill or not)

I used to be really hyped about this game. But not anymore. I'm sure it'll have a crazy amount of subscribers at launch and the following months after that. Not sure how it's going to be after that though, it REALLY depends on how challenging the raids will be and if they can improve the PvP.

There's many more things I didn't like about the game, for example that a lvl10 can queue up for a warzone and join lvl50s and get like 80% of the best player's stats. I had a lvl12 trooper that easily could kite and kill 2-3 lvl50s at a time. I ran around naked in one game apart from my gun and got #1 on dmg done while still completing lots of the objectives. Another poor design imo.

Yesterday I cancelled my pre-order and got my money back. Mainly because of lots of irl things coming up in the near future but also because I didn't like the game enough to invest hundreds or possibly thousands of hours in it.

Hope you'll all enjoy the game though, will follow it for sure at launch and after that.

This post was edited by eschutaz on Nov 28 2011 03:34pm

It's safe to say you're a WoW fanboy whose despretely bashing a superior game because you really know WoW is going downhill. WoW had 0 story, 0 plot, and 0 lore. They put it in the game, but didn't give it any detail, and nobody cared about it. The story is "boring" to you because you don't want to listen to it. You think it's bad mechanic that they made it story oriented, tell that to the millions of people who praise it for actually doing that instead of the bullshit Blizzard and other MMOs makers try to throw at you. Tell that to the people who constantly mention how they love how it's actually story oritented instead of mindless grind oriented. TOR is diffrent, and it's better.

You can try to bash it all you want, you aren't going to convince people that it's not better than WoW, because it is. If people wouldn't have wasted years of their lives on a game where you do absoulutely nothing but grind, not knowing why they're doing it besides they speant $15 a month to do it, maybe they wouldn't think that its as good as an obviously superior game.

I don't play WoW anymore. So you're wrong. The game isn't superior in any way, I've been in the TOR beta since it was friends and family. WoW has plenty of lore and story. It just isn't forced into your throat, like it is in TOR. You have no idea what you're talking about at all, and it's pretty obvious, you're merely jumping on the bandwagon and hyping a game.

You will have yet to give legitimate reasons as to how TOR is superior. It has what...voice acting, which is pretty bad with a few exceptions, and a conversation system. Okay.

Again, if you're going to mindlessly hype the game, at least have realistic views about it, instead of "ITS GOING TO DESTROY WOW ITS SUPERIOR". You might want to look at the # of games that 'millions' of people thought were superior to WoW, and see how they're doing now. The only thing going for this game that makes it ANY different than WoW is the Star Wars IP.

Somehow you think TOR is going to end up differently that WoW, why do people think this? One of the biggest influences on TOR is infact WoW. Bioware doesn't know how to make an MMO, so they took from the best. And over time, it's going to end up the exact same.

This post was edited by Xeonics on Nov 28 2011 04:43pm

I could care less if you don't play WoW anymore. It obviously consumed your life you feel the need to bash anything supeiror that comes along to challenge it.

You don't have any legitimate reasons for why you think WoW is better. You think WoW has a better story, you don't like story in your games, you don't like voice acting in your games, you don't like that theres more to the game than mindless grinding. TOR is diffrent, because it's supeiror, and it's laughable at your lack of reasons besides that you clearly wasted too much of your life on WoW and you want justification.

People are overwhelimingly praising the game for the things you think make it bad. People are overwhelmingly praising the game because of the fact it's diffrent from WoW (The things you think it copied from WoW have been in every MMO since they started making them, it's not stealing from WoW) and unlike other MMOs that are diffrent from WoW, it's actually good. Theres a reason why theres millions of preorders and people aren't rushing to cancel, people are actually going to preorder it because of what they think of the game.

You can bash the game all you wan't, the only person getting anything out of it is you for obtaining some validity for wasting your life on inferior games.

I never said they STOLE from WoW, I merely said that looked at WoW and made influential decisions based on that. Developers have stated that themselves.
WoW hasn't consumed my life, you're simply repeating the same things over and over again.

I'm not stating that WoW is a superior game, I'm simply saying that TOR is NOT a superior game. Your inability to read and comprehend basic words somehow makes you think I am attempting to prove something I'm not.
I'm sure people are praising it for its voice acting and conversation system, simply because that's how Bioware has done things with Dragon Age, KotOR and Mass Effect. However millions aren't praising the actual gameplay, because for a $500,000,000 budget, the game simply isn't as polished as it could be, and with it's release in a month, it's safe to say whatever people have been playing on the beta is the final build, or damn close.

If you're going to try and have a debate, at least read what the other people is typing before making a reply that literally has very little to do with the original topic.

this Caedus guy is the biggest fanboy/moron i have ever seen... good luck Xeonics I don't even know how you can reply to such stupidity.

This post was edited by wh0racLe on Nov 28 2011 05:06pm

TOR is a superior game and you don't have any arguements for why it's not besides bashing the things that make it better. Sorry that every game can't be as mindless and repetative as WoW. TOR does what WoW does better, and it does things that WoW could never have.



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