Grief is better than any rare weapon ever, does that mean every rare posted in the bnet trophy room isn't a trophy? Except claws?

1haxes and swords that don't compete with cheap no-ladder rws aren't trophies, no

"people think fools is good since it's used for some specific pvp stuff, but in pvm it sucks"--lily.

yes
so what?

If you've read this forum more than once you probably know me and lilith0 don't agree much (WF > Faith!), but he's right, you know.

Fool's can be good. Fool's can be on a trophy item. But fool's itself is far from a trophy. The axe you found is crap. Sorry but it really is.

Fools mod is incredible in a rares only WT. My WT is limited to one runeword. I can use one runeword getting to hell Baal and defeating him. I didn't want to play a hammerdin but I needed a rest after playing a related 'rares only' werewolf. In that earlier werewolf thread, Terr0rist suggested that if I found a good1-handed weapon, I could make a shield with maxers and turn the one-hander into a viable 1-handed weapon but with jeweled shield. This weapon seems to fit the bill. It's even better on a pally because they can have ed in a plain four socket shield and filled with 15+ maxers. I posted it knowing it was short of being a trophy due to the other mods. But folks got kind of pissyassed. Started talking about style.

It's not a bad axe, its just far from a trophy like most other posted items in here.

So, you've gone from "less stylish than Light Saber" to "the axe you found is crap" to "It's not a bad axe" I can see it's caused some emotional fluctuation. We also have someone saying fools mod is crap mod. Fair enough. I probably would have given it between 3-4 on trophy scale. 10 being eth and repair with amp....not even sure it's possible. 1.x for fools mod, 1 point for 200+ed 1 point for 2ocs. Had it been a rares only WT, I would give it +2 bonus. That fact that its in a class pertinent might come into play (ie, it's fast on a pally in this case but it's a hammerdin...so not so relevant) But with one more good mod, it starts jumping the fences from 3-4 to 5-6 (ie add ias) A 10 is godly. It's clearly not godly. You guys need to be tough on folks but you also need to remember that this is not going to compete with bot found items presented in the d2 trophy room. Bots can and do craft stuff there. I've seen ridiculous items over there. Judging by your comments, I'd say it might be a 1 on a scale of 1-10. Lily might give it a -1

Tried to explain this once, but it seems that for some people it would be better to post full perfect items only once per a decade (taking into consideration how many active wts are here at the moment).

This post was edited by -joey- on Nov 7 2016 08:46am

Anyway I do not know whether you are familiar with this, but there is an affix chance calculator for all items. I can PM you the link, because I think it is not allowed to post here.

According to the calculator e.g. the chance for a Cruel+Fools+Mechanic's Weapon is 1:191654. With an additional IAS mod (in this case +20%) the cance will be significantly lower 1:3571477 (about two times more rare than Zod rune from wraith type monsters in P8). If we would like to add Self-Repair as well, because the item was spawned ethereal, the chance will be astronomical 1:165767989. Also do not forget that 5% of the items spawn ethereal, so our final chance will be even lower.

I think we could have an agreement that items should be considered as trophy only if they exceed a certain rarity treshold for example 1 to a million or something and of course taking into consideration the usability of the item as well. Life would be much more simple.

This post was edited by -joey- on Nov 7 2016 09:15am