d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > Player vs. Monster > Cs Bowazon By Lemon > guide by lemonfish
Prev15678937Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 8,210
Joined: May 7 2006
Gold: 6,605.87
Oct 11 2006 01:31am
Quote (Papa Smurf @ Wed, Oct 11 2006, 06:50am)
I liked your guide, but disagree with you on one major point.
WF/Faith merc set up is superior to Faith/might-pride merc.
I have that set up and my merc never has a problem keeping up. Also, in case there happens to be a hdin in your party (which is very likely in a chaos run)your pride will become useless.
Also, while testing with might pride I found that, more often than not, I would be fighting solo without my merc. Despite pride's low dammage, act 2 mercs just cant stand up to Iron Maiden!
With an act 1 merc you will find that it has no problem surving as iron Maiden does not affect her. Also, when you add in a potential hdin's conc on top of your windforce you will see how pathetic the dammage with faith is in comparison.
Here are more advantages to WF over faith:
-6-8% Mana leech will be all you will ever need, allowing for that otherwise indespensible mod to be replaced by something else in your other gear.
-Knockback. It's built in. With this, even in an 8 player game, no monster can approach you. Your low life is no longer a touchy subject.
-You get a bonus 20% ias. GM has a base attack speed of 10 as does hydra. However, you get fanat's boost either way. The 20% allows you some room to play with with the rest of your set up.
-You get an open socket!!!! Jah, Shael, 40/15, Lo all provide a huge advantage over faith.
-Giving your merc faith gives you all the bonuses you need.

I recommend everone interested in making a PvM bowa to use WF; you will find faith just doesnt compare. The only drawback is that you wont be able to duel. You are dependant on your Fanat boost and your merc, hardy as she may be in the chaos sanctuary, just cant hold up in the blood moor.


u have some good points, i'll give u that! no doubt. BUT as I've in a previous post i find that my rogue merc simply won't keep up dry.gif and in that case, u loose ur ias and then "u suck big ****", but with a faith alone u are able to handle chaos without being to depended on ur merc, and my merc would rarely die, cause i killed my enemies so fast he couldn't even get to them before they were dead, IM'ed or not. And now that u mention duelling, i also duelled with her, and she did more then good, at least in pub game without merc biggrin.gif

This post was edited by lemonfish on Oct 11 2006 01:34am
Member
Posts: 6,852
Joined: Sep 30 2005
Gold: 6,151.00
Oct 11 2006 08:04am
it's a known, mathematically proven fact that wffaith gives more damage for high level dexazons
however, act1 merc has problems keeping up if you accelerate and decelerate in quick intervals (like if someone enables vigor or if you use harmony), and they will get stuck fighting a monster kilometer away, leaving you with no aura (this is particularly painful in river of flame,the path to cs, or if you run around tamoe searching for the pit)

i think in general, wf doesn't have better stats than faith, as knockback doesn't work with multishot (only two center arrows carry ctc effects), the only positive side is ml and ias
- wf is also heavier, requiring more str to use it
- wf has huge damage spread, at one time you do 300 dmg, at another you do 5000 dmg; faith is much more consistent

faith can give you as much as +2 skill, +3 bow, 15res, extra summons (they're great at keeping de seis busy), dmg vs. undead, itd+tons or ar etc..

a positive side of having a pride merc is he is at least a decent extra tank - since travincal is one of my favorite spots to clean in every game it sure is useful, and when i lifetap dia i can eat popcorn while the merc tanks him with ease with me strafing nearby
Member
Posts: 1,967
Joined: Jun 10 2006
Gold: 0.00
Oct 11 2006 02:29pm
i like it...tho dodge skills etc. are always needed. an act 2 merc with pride is good usually...tho iron maiden will always be a pain in the ass.
Member
Posts: 2,608
Joined: Oct 20 2003
Gold: Locked
Oct 24 2006 04:36am
DUNDUNDUN IM LOVIN IT! lol I cant get enough Compliments my god they wont stop asking what I use, geez u do insane damage, dang ur godly, ect ect lol. Thanks a lot for the guide Lemonfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A + A + A +. Right now im like 8-9k guided dmg with mercs auras to thats with lvl 10 guided with full gear and 1 point in it, (redoing zon to max guided for more dmg) and got 7-8k multi. Its SIiiiiiIIIck. 7-8k Strafe.

This post was edited by Dan123The123Man on Oct 24 2006 04:37am
Member
Posts: 22,601
Joined: Jun 27 2006
Gold: 0.04
Warn: 80%
Oct 24 2006 04:48pm
I think this bow coud not kill cs alone... that's to say...... i think u can buy a sorc triele/hammer best and u kill all eZ... but if it's that u want... is good... u nn ar, cause almost any monster have chance block % so i think u can put on 2*bk's (5 for example) and u make mor dmg and have 10ll more smile.gif

Funny bow m8 wink.gif

Best regards.
Member
Posts: 5,007
Joined: Nov 27 2005
Gold: Locked
Trader: Scammer
Oct 25 2006 07:18pm
nicee guide
Banned
Posts: 2,987
Joined: Oct 9 2006
Gold: Locked
Trader: Scammer
Warn: 50%
Oct 25 2006 07:18pm
I likw this guide, and if i needed a cs guide iwould probrobly use this one.
Member
Posts: 717
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 685.74
Oct 25 2006 11:17pm
SorryI may have missed something, but I would tend to think the act 1 faith merc is a better than act 2 might also because I really hate it when IM kills my act2 mercs. Is this a problem for you or do you kill fast enough that IM is never really a problem? I also think I lean more toward the WF/Faith because I'm a hc player.
Member
Posts: 1,735
Joined: Aug 13 2006
Gold: Locked
Trader: Scammer
Oct 26 2006 12:41am
what about COH instead of fortitude? It has 200% dmg to demons, but also 65 resist, some dr, +2 skills, str
Member
Posts: 2,438
Joined: Feb 21 2006
Gold: 0.00
Oct 26 2006 04:28am
pride is underrated... u can get lvl 20 conc which is awsome. if u have trouble with ur merc dying from im, make the pride in a poleaxe or somehing. he will have basicly no base dmg, so iron maiden wont return enough dmg to hurt him at all.

faith vs wf?
i would go for the wf. max dmg form wf is gozu, and the max dmg is multiplied from the con aura as well..

btw nice guide
Go Back To Player vs. Monster Topic List
Prev15678937Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll