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Quote (delikana @ Dec 22 2019 05:51pm)
This guy stated 5k ar was enough

liar

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This guy stated [...] 8k already overkill

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Quote (delikana @ Dec 22 2019 10:03pm)
You state that ar will not change that. I say it does. You have your opinion, I have mine.

ar doesn't change that bosses block attacks. If you disagree you're just wrong. This isn't about opinion.
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Quote (lilith0 @ 22 Dec 2019 23:34)
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ar doesn't change that bosses block attacks. If you disagree you're just wrong. This isn't about opinion.


Liar.
I never, ever said ar change anything about boss ability to block, you lie.
I said, that if your hits doesn't land in the first place, even before the block is calculated, you will have hard time to hit at all.
We can play this game.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 04:54pm
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Quote (lilith0 @ 22 Dec 2019 13:46)
if with 5k ar, you hit hell diablo 33% of the time
then with 8k ar, you'd hit him 40% of the time

the main reason you don't hit bosses is that they block attacks, and no amount of ar will change that


the main reason you don't hit bosses is that they block attacks, and no amount of ar will change that

So, if any amount of ar is "useless" doesn't that mean overkill ? If I wrote useless instead of overkill would you call me a liar ?
Now, if any amount of at is "useless" ( your term this time) 5k is enough by extension, no ? Ok.

You are the liar here. You totally transformed my statement, I never , ever , said that ar would affect block. I said it affect the chance to land the hit. It's absolutely not the same send.

Liar.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 05:05pm
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Quote (delikana @ Dec 22 2019 11:20pm)
No not at all, I really appreciate advices, that's why I came to conclusion I would use it for lvling and for the time I need to get better weap like grief.
It's just there is way to explain things. And I don't share your opinion about ar being enough on each build, simple exemple : immortal king, it is extremely cheap and viable but if you don't add ar you will simply hit nothing at lvl 76 when you put set on. This case applies to many many other, when you are a normal player that don't use op runewords, and I won't move from that position cause it's true.
Other than that there is no pblm at all.
And I thank everyone who came here 😊


Sure you can use it for lvling, but not if you are level 85, you should have much better already

Using simple maths, it's better to hit 75% with 3k than hitting 95% with 1k.
I chosed wrong numbers just to show you, but in practice fools vs no fools will hardly gives you more than 8-10% of hit chances, also on frenzy barb you can divide that again by 2 since you're dual wielding :p

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Quote (Melatonina @ 23 Dec 2019 00:07)
Sure you can use it for lvling, but not if you are level 85, you should have much better already

Using simple maths, it's better to hit 75% with 3k than hitting 95% with 1k.
I chosed wrong numbers just to show you, but in practice fools vs no fools will hardly gives you more than 8-10% of hit chances, also on frenzy barb you can divide that again by 2 since you're dual wielding :p


I will provide ar by other way when I'll change the weapon.
For a start I will use this rare and whatever I find as second sword, like, headstriker for exemple.
Once I can make grief and another less costly RW like crescend moon I will provide.ar another way with charms, for exemple, cause the loss will be huge.
It will be interesting to lvl.this char. Ar was a real pblm on my nat assass, when I was about 4k on phoenix strike I was missing like 2 hits on 3 even at 82. Once I jumped above 8k at the same lvl by using better ar Raven ( first was almost lowest ar roll) and few charms, and few more points in claw mastery the difference was just shocking, same lvl, suddenly I hit rares and bosses.
Dragon claw was never a pblm cause the ar provided by the skill is absolutely huge, double of phoenix strike.
Frenzy is low ar skill like 200% at lvl 20. It's weak , really. I will have to compensate the loss of the fool mod.
When I lvl my chars i do quests. I am not overleveled in any way, ar is crucial.

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I will provide at by other way when I'll change the weapon.
For a start I will use this rare and whatever I find as second sword, like, headstriker for exemple.
Once I can make grief and another less costly RW like crescend moon I will provide.ar another way with charms, for exemple, cause the loss will be huge.
It will be interesting to lvl.this char. At was a real pblm on my nat assass, when I was about 5k on phoenix strike I was missing like 2 hits on 3 even at 82. Once I jumped above 7k at the same lvl by using better ar Raven ( first was almost lowest ar roll) and few charms, the difference was just shocking, same lvl, suddenly I hit rares and bosses.
Dragon was never a pblm cause the ar provided by the skill is absolutely huge, double of phoenix strike.
Frenzy is low ar skill like 200% at lvl 20. It's weak , really. I will have to compensate the loss of the fool mod.


yeah, compensate it with more dmg bro, thats the way to go.
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Quote (delikana @ Dec 22 2019 11:58pm)
"useless" ( your term this time)

Did I use that term?

Quote (delikana @ Dec 22 2019 11:58pm)
You totally transformed my statement, I never , ever , said that ar would affect block.

Did I say (before this very post) that you said that ar affects block?


Now you absolutely did say that ar affects block:
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Quote (lilith0 @ Dec 22 2019 01:46pm)
the main reason you don't hit bosses is that they block attacks, and no amount of ar will change that

You state that ar will not change that. I say it does.

But you probably didn't mean what you wrote.

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Quote (lilith0 @ 22 Dec 2019 13:46)
if with 5k ar, you hit hell diablo 33% of the time
then with 8k ar, you'd hit him 40% of the time

the main reason you don't hit bosses is that they block attacks, and no amount of ar will change that


I'll quote you untill you admitt what you wrote.
No amount of ar will change that, mean if it doesn't change that, it's useless isn't it ?
You can play on words, as much as you want, as long as you want.
basically you say in this that no amount of ar change something about hitting bosses which is simply false.
I did the test, at same lvl if I cut my ar by about 50% I clearly miss Baal more, but like clearly. And btw, the rares and uniques don't necessary blocks in which case ar will be even stronger.the game is not all about bosses, rates and uniques are everywhere along your path. I don't mean lvl is not important by anyway, it's part of the calcul, but ar is important as well.
At the end ar changes the way you hit bosses despite the block, whatever you want it or not. What you stated is simply false.
Let's quote me and say I'm wrong, let's continue this. You are wrong and you perfectly know this, that's why you play on words, you avoid the pblm.

Go on.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 23 2019 06:25am
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Quote (delikana @ Dec 23 2019 01:11pm)
No amount of at will change that, mean if it doesn't change that, it's useless isn't it ?

no, the fact that ar doesn't stop a boss from blocking does not make ar useless
Quote (delikana @ Dec 23 2019 01:11pm)
You say in this basically that no amount of at change something, which is simply false.

no amount of ar will change that dablo blocks half your hits

you need to learn english
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