As much as all of what your quote says makes sense, you need more practical knowledge.
By the books, its fine and nothing you wrote is wrong.
But in practice, as melatonin's wrote, 10k ar is more than enough for everything u mind need

Here is what all started about.

This guy stated 5k ar was enough and 8k already overkill. Yes bosses block a lot, like 40% but if you dont even land 1 hit on 3, and the one that land is blocked ? you will almost never hit him.

"Melatonina" comes and write this :

"Better not tell us whats important and whats not if you consider using a 197ed weapon bro

also, attack rating depends on clvl, just a tip .."

I am sorry but there is something wrong here


I never , ever said 10k was bad, i said 5k was. And it is. This guy come and some sort of tell me : stfu you shall not write.
and add a bunch of nice totally wrong things like ppl using angelic are wrong etc
But thats simply false, sorry
On a lot of char if you dont care about ar you will not have 10k naturally. I never said 10k was bad, i said it was ok.... i know player lvl matters, i know monster lvl matters, so does his armor, etc
I didnt like this attitude , like at all, expecially when he partially says the same things.
I do read a lot of things on d2, but still i had a lot of 95+ hc char back then. It is theory , but also practice.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 11:19am

and if -res on your merc didn't affect your dmg, people wouldn't pay extra for -55res infy cv
oh wait


it's cute that you pick this example
because yes, smite ignores defense, but smite is also the only melee attack in the game that can't be blocked, and that's why smiters exist


nah, he's pretty much right
Unless you're in a specific case where the ds doesn't work, HL always beats angelic


Did I really?

Yes you did.
Not clear enough ?
You state that ar will not change that. I say it does. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Now we are here to discuss and give opinion.
As angelic is concerned o never said it beat HL or anything. I said ppl use it and it's viable in some.cases.
Once again I never said lvl was not important. It is. Still, for me as lvl 85 in hell 5k is way less efficient than 10k. I can see it on my assassin, I saw it on many other chars. It's tested and verified.
You may not agree, everyone has his opinions.
That said I will not insist on this subject as everything is deformed along the posts.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 03:17pm

if you dont use HL on your barb you are doing it wrong, as I said it's not an opinion, it's a fact supporters by basic maths
anyone will have a better weapon set to run ubers, and even if not, you wouldnt want to sacrifice so much dmg just for a little ar boost, barbs can precast enchant if needed
others classes wont ever suffer from ar issues, fury has plenty, kicker has plenty, pala have smite, sorc has high enchant lvl precast,etc.
raven 20/250 and ar scs (3/20/20 > 20/36ar but oh whatever..) are useful for pvp chars, that is why their prices are high, not because its good for any pvm build lmao
you asked if this was usable and everybody said it wasn't, why do you insist exactly ~~
there is just no case for this weapon to be viable past nightmare difficulty (if double upgraded) really, it is how it is
a non upgraded butchers pupils destroys that weapon and thats not even the best option

now if you want some cool weapon I mfed and sold to charge[d] years ago a sick PB : 40 ias, 2 sox, fools, lvl 4 zeal charges and 17x ed


This post was edited by Melatonina on Dec 22 2019 03:19pm

First of all not everybody said it was not.
Many ppl made good points. It's not the fact you said it's not viable that I point , it's that kind of sentence : bro if you consider a 197% wap you are not allowed to tell us smtg.
And the discussion turned about ar where I don't agree with you whatever you want it or not.
And whatever you want it or not it's your opinion.
You don't reach high ar so easily, that's exactly why pre runeword grandfather, Schaefer, and a lot of high end weapons had HUGE AR boost. Because it matters.
Once again, some players trade ar charms for pvm whatever you want it or not, and it can be usefull, in many case, it's a good way to correct deficient ar, and I won't add LMFAO cause I respect the one who I write to.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 03:25pm

If you know better than everyone why do you even ask ?
People can't take criticism, its okay, we've been dealing with them in the trophy room since ages.
But damn bro that weap is just trash. Why dont you accept it ?

Oh and bro my typing style has nothing to do with my arguments which are supported by maths, unlike yours.

I am sure you have been dealing since age, seeing how you don't respect ppl.
I don't doubt that you learned as you create that kind of situation.
This weapon is acceptable for a while untill I get better, so I won't trash it. Actually I will use for some time.
Like I said others made points, you don't. Your unrespectful and aggressive typing style make me ignore you since now. Have a nice day.
And don't say "we" don't be proud enough to talk for everyone.It's with you that I got a pblm. Not the others. Basic.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 03:31pm

Lol bro you feel easily offended then, we have offered you ways to deal with ar issues, but you just rejected them by creating imaginary scenarios where your weapon would be king.
What you wanted here by creating this topic wasn't opinions but just "omg nice drop gj sir"
Again, you are doing it wrong if you need ar on your build.
If you can tell us the gear you're using we might provide more helpful advices on how to improve your barb to fight ubers (its really easy with a barb and few keys items)
If you prefer bad advices such as "yeah waste your time and double up that weapon, make your barb around it and dont search for a better weapon option because there is none"
its possible too but it wouldn't be cool, isn't it ?

This post was edited by Melatonina on Dec 22 2019 03:35pm

No not at all, I really appreciate advices, that's why I came to conclusion I would use it for lvling and for the time I need to get better weap like grief.
It's just there is way to explain things. And I don't share your opinion about ar being enough on each build, simple exemple : immortal king, it is extremely cheap and viable but if you don't add ar you will simply hit nothing at lvl 76 when you put set on. This case applies to many many other, when you are a normal player that don't use op runewords, and I won't move from that position cause it's true.
Other than that there is no pblm at all.
And I thank everyone who came here 😊

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 04:31pm