this is funny

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=44689779&f=320&o=0

He said Light is marginally better in some situations, but only marginally, which is factually inaccurate. Not overall better, but marginally better in some situations...

That is what I'm arguing.

are you baked?

read that again, he didn't say you were wrong about the kill speed. he boiled his whole stance down to personal preference and you got butthurt because idk? it goes against your stickied guide?

you want to have a pointless discussion where you don't listen and persist with pointless arguments make a separate thread. you may be in the PVM section but you've also posted in 1 thread and spammed. as have i, so i'll stop.

but if you want to continue make another thread, just try and actually read before spewing out builds no one's arguing like a child.



marginally isn't an objective measurement. some would consider a car that goes 10 mph faster marginally faster, in nascar that's so much faster that car would never lose a race.

you got triggered by semantics, and spaz isn't even a native english speaker. i see your issue now at least, its just a silly and ignorant one.



bandying about the application of a single word, it is of course semantics.

on a bot (much like the nascar example you didn't soak in) the difference in clear speeds would be substantial, given a long number of runs over a long period of time. and the bot is unlikely to have issues with deaths.

for a person the difference is far less substantial, and it's possible that given safety avoiding even a single death in 10 or so runs would make up the difference in killspeed entirely.

semantics =/= wrong, it's just not a fruitless argument, let alone in a guy's pvm walk where he's just expressing his preference backed by what gear he's found and his personal tested playstyle



don't spam pvm walkthroughs with strat-guides content. let alone a buddy of mine's and you wont get insulted, probably. i can't promise that i'll be in a good mood and i'm kind of an asshole.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 14 2018 08:55am

I'll leave this here.
It's not semantics when framed like this...

/e

I hope you understand I'm not mad, just stating what I see. A little disappointing that every post you make you throw out at least 1-2 insults.

This post was edited by Egardner on Nov 14 2018 08:51am

Progress?

We definitely need some progress in terms of reading comprehension.

I farted once on the set of Blue Lagoon

(slap)

I second the notion that without 'botted' gear, Lite Sorks are pretty underwhelming, even if you can get Infy from some LK runs. My current p8 WT is a testament to that

Well, that escalated quickly.

Perhaps it really is because of what thesnipa said, that I'm not a native English speaker. It's either that, or that you have a hard time reading/are trying to misinterpret/skew all of my words on purpose. I can't tell for certain, but I believe that my English should be far from incomprehensible.

Speculation aside, fact is that it all started with your quite rude innuendo here in your first post:
Which was also a rushed conclusion, as it actually does in fact seem as if you did not read my post. Because if you did, you would have seen that in the instance you were first referring to in this thread, I applied both my enigma setup and my tals setup for both builds, as seen here:
The suspicion that you did in fact not read post 192 is further strengthened by this quote:
Because no, I didn't compare a tals light, to an "enigma optimized blizz". I compared tals light and enigma light vs any/all of my currently available blizzard setups (which are far from optimized: shes running a hoto...). All which is easily interpretated by reading post 189 & 192 - atleast to everyone else it seems.


No, in fact you are arguing out of preference. Because your preference is clearly full chaos sanctuary clears. I never for a second argued that blizz is faster in the following scenario: "optimized blizzard sorc vs optimized light sorc, full chaos sanctuary clears". That would be delusional. And I also explicitly stressed that light is indeed faster in that scenario, here:


Which also leads us to your last post:
where you clearly are arguing upon the premise that I were refering to "full clear chaos" when I said the following words (eventhough it's mentioned the immediate sentence thereafter that "light gets better in full clears", because of the amount of immunes):

which is weird in itself, seeing as no-one else seems to have interpret me like that.

To summarize, here's what I've said so far and what I still say:

1. Optimized blizzard vs Optimized light sorc, full chaos sanctuary clears, /players 1
Light sorc is the faster, by a large margin.

2. Blizzard vs light sorc with "the equipment available to me in this thread, at the point of post 192", full chaos sanctuary clears, /players 1
They're about as fast. Blizzard sorc has alot higher life and MF, though. Plus, she runs ancient tunnels alot better, excluding mephisto runs from the discussion.

3. Optimized blizzard vs Optimized light sorc, rush to diablo (Seals, diablo), players 8 (Which mirrors what you would be doing in legit baalruns, if you are the dedicated CS runner)
- Lightning sorc is marginally faster, (2-3 seconds on a ~1min run), if you're also killing diablo yourself (i.e. a Javazon isn't in the diablo party/don't come for D kill), when we are factoring in unbreakable immunes.
- If there's a javazon coming for diablo, they're basically identical in speed.
- Blizzard sorc will be more helpful of a damage dealer in throne, if there is a javazon in the game
- Blizzard sorc will be able to freeze wave 3 in throne
- Blizzard sorc will be abit more sturdy: but they should both be when they are optimized
- Blizzard sorc may opt in for additional magic find, without losing speed or notable sturdiness

4. Optimized blizzard vs Optimized light sorc, full chaos sanctuary clears, /players 8
Light sorc is the faster, by a large margin

5. Optimized blizzard vs Optimized light sorc, rush to diablo (Seals, diablo), players 1
Theyre basically identical, if any the blizzard sorc is abit faster when factoring in that light-merc is worse vs double immunes. It mostly comes down to that blizz can do the same speed with greater sturdiness and higher MF.

So in conclusion, we can see that it seems as if you are the one arguing out of preference: the preference of exclusively doing "full chaos sanctuary clears".
As shown, there are more ways to go at it. You can be the dedicated CS:er in a baal run. You can be the single player PvM-forum guy who aren't exclusively playing chaos, but perhaps also do Ancient Tunnels.
The conclusion must be this: Depending on what your ambition/target play is, either can be the better choice for you. Both are viable. Which is what I've been saying from the start.



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But there's so much screens to post ironic, I know, seeing what greath length I went to discuss blizz vs light.
^^
Cheers gl with ur wt!

This post was edited by SpAz. on Nov 14 2018 02:11pm

your English is phenomenal, i only said that thinking you may have loosely used the word "marginal". it seemed he was VERY hung up on that word, which was odd. him giving strat/guides advice in a /pl8 hc walk was the oddest part tho.