Nice players 1 weapon

if with 5k ar, you hit hell diablo 33% of the time
then with 8k ar, you'd hit him 40% of the time

the main reason you don't hit bosses is that they block attacks, and no amount of ar will change that

I usually have 12k + ar on my chars, and believe me or not, it makes an absolutely insane difference vs 5k.
Numbers are numbers, but when i played, i felt i was missing all the time with 5-6k, with 12k i hit almost every time. My leech is then, constant, i dont have to pot all the time cause i dont hit, then dont leech. And i kill faster. If ar wasnt important, and bosses was only about block, ppl would not wear angelic, which is very common, you see it on a lot of build 85+

I dont agree on this point. I know bosses can block, but ar makes an absolutely insane difference. I actually play my nat assass in hell hc, i do all areas with her, i have 10k+ ar, which is correct, but not enough. When i take on a rare or a boss like this , i miss a fair amount of hits, but i when cast Shadow cloack right before (which i do) the -xx% defence (which do NOT affect block chance) makes me hit the boss almost every hits, then i kill WAY faster and safier.

Ar is extremly important, in fact, its crucial.
The game is not all about dmg, its about being able to balance all : ar, dmg, defence, + skills, leech, consistancy, at least in hc. I will be trash there but sometimes i laugh quite a bit when i see Youtube sc players that fall to 5% life every 10 sec, if you do play like this you wont survive 1 week in hc.

Correct me if i am wrong, but uber tristram pala use bash cause it never misses whatever the ar no ? that alone explains how important it is to land the hit. And the frenzy barb uber tristram guide i saw the guy had 12k ar, which was, accroding to him, still not enough.

I guess playing overpowered chars filled with rw's makes the game way to easy to see this. I dont know if you play hc, but believe me, when you do, without any tier programs, bot , or anything, just like the game was meant to be at first place, you notice how balance is more important than pure raw spiky dmg. And being able to enjoy every spell at your disposal, and killing diablo clone with nat set , which is considered pure trash, makes you enjoy the game really, really hard.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 07:30am

Better not tell us whats important and whats not if you consider using a 197ed weapon bro

also, attack rating depends on clvl, just a tip ..

I knew that, hence i specified lvl 85+ players still using angelic combo... lvl matters, ar matters, everything in a balance.

but isn't it why forums are made for ? learn, exchange tips ?

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 08:01am

shako

Yes you are right. Many players have many different opinions so just listen to all the feedback and decide for yourself.

It is a cool little weapon and nice for a barb single player progression, but you will probably want to replace it once you get thru nightmare.

I would not waste a socket on it.

You're the one that needs to learn tho

level 85 is not high level, first of all

secondly, once you have a decent lvl fools becomes totally useless, you dont need more than 8-10k to hit everything with 95%

anyone who use angelic combo at 85+ is either wrong or just playing self found and hasnt found better yet

False.

FIrst of all, If you have a build with low ar fools is not useless, it depends on situation. It can be usefull, hence godly pre runewords items like Scheffer's hammer, which had huge ar mod. grief also have -25% ennemy def, which result in better ar as result. So does fury, and many other rw.

Secondly, Considering the lvl goes from 1 to 99, in hc i can consider 85 high lvl. There are players in hc who uses angelic combo at 85+ , for exemple to farm ubers, and its far from the only case; and they dont play self found, so once again : no. Its funny to think how valuable are charms with ar, if ar is useless at high lvl, no ? Ar is always a very important stat for melee char, and you dont reach 10k so easy, far from it.

I have a lot to learn, but i dont agree with you. In this thread you were the one with the less interesting advices for me, and the most disspleasing terms, in fact you did give only one advice, whichi knew btw, rest was like : bro if you consider this you dont deserv to write(sort of) etc... And thats not interesting in the slighest.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 09:34am

D2 wiki part :

Attack Rating, often abbreviated AR is an integral stat relating to the combat in Diablo II.


Attack rating is used to calculate how likely physical attacks are to hit their targets. AR is boosted by numerous item bonuses, charms, and skills, as well by raising the dexterity stat. Other factors, including Clvl, Mlvl, and defense, are also checked when the game calculates whether or not an attack will hit.


Generally speaking, higher Attack Rating gives your character a better chance to hit the target. The formulas for determining to/hit have changed numerous times in D2C and D2X patches, so how important AR is has risen and fallen in different versions of the game. Since v1.10 AR has become much more important, and combat characters now aim for very high AR, 10,000 or more, to ensure at least 85% to/hit against high level monsters.

If i didnt care about it, many of my chars would have less than 6k ar at lvl 85. Which is why i consider this stats extremly important. Thats why a 250 20 dext raven worth WAY more than a 200 20 one. For an exemple like many , many others.

This post was edited by delikana on Dec 22 2019 09:55am