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Mar 27 2011 05:04pm
lol?
when decrepped the fpa decreases by a milestone. you no longer frenzy @ 5fpa with dual death. deal with it.

and u get decrepped at throne/cs all the time.

death/death does have more damage, but when dps plays part of both dmg and speed, grief/death> by far.
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Mar 27 2011 05:07pm
when decrepped?

you only get decrepped if you right next to throne

stand further back still kill easy

proc amp dmg with lacerators killed faster even if im decrepped

i havent even gotten on the fact edeath also has superior crushing blow either :rofl:

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This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 05:08pm
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Mar 27 2011 05:15pm
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php

even if decrepped im still hitting 7fpa :rofl: "real slow"

lets see if you use grief phase blade with a similar equip(will use guilliaume ber'd instead of arreat)

ill even give you act 1 merc too

when grief/grief get decrepped

you hitting 6fpa :rofl:

people viewing it look at it yourself

40% off hand ias from laying of hands/highlords(more than likely 20% due to using draculs as i suspect)
lvl 12-15 fanat from act 1 merc(grief setup)
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Mar 27 2011 05:55pm
perhaps this will settle some qualm

average damage for my barbarian for the ladder that is ending tonight, with 314MF (pi)

highlords, dual grief pb, enigma, laying of hands, string of ears, war travelers, ravenfrost, dual leach crafted blood ring, IK helm, a few max damage charms totaling 55

Frenzy:
8096
dtd - 12219

dps frenzy
40480
dtd - 61095

Whirlwind:
5418
dtd - 9541

dps ww
67725
dtd - 119262


a comparably equipped frenzy barb with maxed synergies wielding perfect ethereal death colossus sword instead of grief

frenzy:
6380
dtd - 8215


it is clear that grief deals more raw damage than death and whirlwind, even as a 1 point wonder, deals higher dps than a fully synergized frenzy barbarian.
this is why I advise building a hybrid whirlwind-berserk-frenzy barbarian

not to get off topic, but trying to argue frenzy vs whirlwind is like arguing strafe vs multiple shot. both skills shine in different situations that depend on how much life monsters have and how they are spread out on the field of battle.. ... ..... ........

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Mar 27 2011 07:15pm
edeath ettin axe not colossus sword

300 mf nn

200 good enough for fast runs
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Mar 27 2011 08:46pm
Quote (Infamous_WuBird @ 27 Mar 2011 21:15)
edeath ettin axe not colossus sword

300 mf nn

200 good enough for fast runs


Azurewrath is a sword, not an axe. It is better to only max one weapon mastery so as to save on skill points.

the alternative Lawbringer Rune Word has very high repair costs due to high level aura while equipped modifier, so even that is best made in a Phase Blade for superior speed and Indestructibility.
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Mar 27 2011 09:20pm
i make lawbringer in 2 phaseblades

dont put pt in sword mastery, only to cast decrep on switch

enigma
war trav
gheeds
mf ring

200mf with close to max kill speed

could drop decrep casters for lemmed ali babas when horking

honestly with my build i got 20%> ll so i like to use lacerators to proc open wounds/amp dmg

but vs Ubers Decrep much safer

This post was edited by Infamous_WuBird on Mar 27 2011 09:27pm
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Mar 27 2011 10:17pm
nice very thought through
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Mar 28 2011 05:45am
why bother aaron, lol.
posting calcs for newbs is hopeless as the newb himself.

Quote (Infamous_WuBird @ Mar 28 2011 02:15am)
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc%5Ftitanseal/speedcalc%5Fenglish.php

even if decrepped im still hitting 7fpa  :rofl: "real slow"

lets see if you use grief phase blade with a similar equip(will use guilliaume ber'd instead of arreat)

ill even give you act 1 merc too

when grief/grief get decrepped

you hitting 6fpa :rofl:

people viewing it look at it yourself

40% off hand ias from laying of hands/highlords(more than likely 20% due to using draculs as i suspect)
lvl 12-15 fanat from act 1 merc(grief setup)


u have clearly zero idea of how frenzy works huh? LOL
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Mar 28 2011 02:36pm
so you concede then :hug:

edeath also superior on zealot over grief too, only time grief better than edeath is on WW baba(Zweihander) and on pure smiter(PB)

jsp brainwashed into thinkin grief is 1337
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