This feels kinda like cheating… why bother doing this in SSF runs

Play however you want to have fun something just feels wrong

this is not a bug or an exploit though.. it's just how the game has always generated items
it gets a initial game seed when it creates a game, then from that game seed it iterates through a math function
the seed is split into a low seed and a high seed
both low seed and high seed are 8 hex places in size -> from 0x00000000 to 0xffffffff
the low seed gets generated at the start with the game seed, the high seed gets initialized at 0x29a (hex) / 666 (decimal number) in single player
if the sequence of iterations through the math function is the same, naturally, the drops will be the same
if you have items that have already been generated appear it will not call the math function (open inventory f.e.), it gets called when something is generated

battle net is different from single player in how items are dropped

hope this makes sense

using knowledge of game mechanics to take advantage is exactly what an exploit is... I get what you are saying though. Nobody has confirmed if it actually works on BNET, though i suspect it would but would be hard to find that seed. In SP you can force any seed you want. It's all speculation until someone records their experience online. I tried to find the seed online for an hour but no luck. Also even if they find the seed, it has to be perfect movement or wont drop correct. The fact that anyone can load that seed and replicate indicates the math is the same every time.





IDK depends on the person, but i would not be shocked if someone use this to break speed run records. They already use exploits for speed runs like the baal wave skips and normal map reset for jail super farming.

This post was edited by lilpsychokilla on May 2 2024 07:14am

if you auto generate every single possibility (all seeds) of a fools ba you will not get a stone hew with the same stats as the battlenet stone hew has
in other words, you can determine that they are not the same even with the same seed as you can exhaust every possible seed

a bug is something unintentional.., this is intentional..
no need to go into silly semantics, they have nothing to do with the subject

... I said exploit, not the same and you are talking about something entirely different. It has already been long determined that chests and poppables have predetermined drops. There is thread somewhere in this forum from years ago that show all the known patterns of LK supers and this just adds on that on how to force the pattern. Right now its only using 1 specific seed but surely the same logic could be transferred to many others with time and testing.

This post was edited by lilpsychokilla on May 2 2024 07:29am

good talk

"It has already been long determined that chests and poppables have predetermined drops."

yes

"In SP you can force any seed you want."

I mean there is literally a -seed property

"Also even if they find the seed, it has to be perfect movement or wont drop correct."

yes and I'm explaining why that is the case as well as why you'd be wasting a huge amount of time trying to do something like this on bnet with the mindset that the systems are 100% identical, every time it goes through the math function, the current seed that will be used to generate the next item changes

"Nobody has confirmed if it actually works on BNET"

if you can't generate bnet items in single player with the natural game mechanics then it should be obvious that they are not 100% identical systems..

refering to this -> "Works online too but you need the exact seed"

if you don't believe me don't believe me, acting this way when someone is trying to help, not a very enjoyable convo, have a good one though

i didn't say i don't believe you i just said there's no definitive proof. I don't give a shit either way, i dont play online anymore except in very rare cases. JSP and bots have completely ruined that experience for me As someone who does single player walkthroughs I just thought this type of stuff should be known around here since that is what most threads are in PVM. And if you have ever farmed 20 hours of LK for a ber, well now you can do in 5 mins if you choose to. I'm sure all runes that spawn from chests have a pattern that can be identified and used for that exact purpose. I've already found several others. You may be right in saying it can't be reproduced online, but for me, I wouldn't believe it unless I tried it myself but I don't care enough to determine it beyond what i've already tried. Someone will find the seed online and try to reproduce and that will be it.

It doesn't work online because it's not possible to force a specific seed every game. Online we don't start a game with the same seed that we started the previous game with.

I'm aware but seeds do repeat.

How do they repeat?