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May 17 2016 09:52am
Quote (Telefunken @ May 17 2016 08:29am)
using conv gives +100% lightning damage vs 0 res mobs (+3250 avg light damage) and even more vs higher res ones, while using fana gives about +500ed (assuming you have like 470 base dam that is about 2350 damage vs 0 dr mobs -even less vs higher dr ones)


So what would the skill distribution look like for this build?
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So what would the skill distribution look like for this build?


max conv instead of fana:)
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May 17 2016 11:26am
Quote (Telefunken @ May 17 2016 04:29pm)
using conv gives +100% lightning damage vs 0 res mobs (+3250 avg light damage), while using fana gives about +500ed (assuming you have like 470 base dam that is about 2350*ds=~3525 damage vs 0 dr mobs)

vs a 50 res/dr mob; using conv gives +4875 avg light damage, while using fana gives +1763avg damage

well, your calculation is not correct:

With a wpn dmg of Ø 427 fana adds Ø 3592 phys dmg (with 71% DS).
That means, with Fana i have Ø 3592 phys dmg + 1-6500 (Ø 3250) light dmg. With Conv i have no additional phys dmg, but "only" the 1-6500 light dmg.
Now to the example monsters:

0 dr, 0 light res:

Fana: Ø 3592 phys dmg + 1-6500 (Ø 3250) light dmg > Ø 6842 total
Conv (-150 enemy res): 0 phys dmg + 1-13000 (Ø 6500) light dmg > Ø 6500 total

50 dr, 50 light res:

Fana: Ø 1796 phys dmg + 1-3250 (Ø 1625) light dmg > Ø 3421 total
Conv (-150 enemy res): 0 phys dmg + 1-13000 (Ø 6500) light dmg > Ø 6500 total

A few more things to consider:
There are a lot of more light immune monsters than physical immunes.
The light dmg range is much bigger than the physical dmg one (thanks to grief).
You can leech from phys dmg, but not from elemental dmg.
Fana boosts your merc as well, Conv does not help him much.

After all that numbers i just prefer the Fana build, that way i can easily switch the dual dream vs shako + exile or other items.
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May 19 2016 03:49pm
Quote (Retrovirus @ 17 May 2016 17:52)
So what would the skill distribution look like for this build?


25 conv after all gear (more is useless)
Max sacr
1 hs
1 redemption (optional)
Max resist light
Max salvation
Rest zeal

E; nice wt so far!

E; fana is cool too. But requires infy imo :p

So get that infy base and infy runes! ^^

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on May 19 2016 04:03pm
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...So get that infy base and infy runes! ^^


I'm sure he has these x 3 :P
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Jun 3 2016 01:27pm
well i got an eth 4s thresher already, but i dont have the runes for infi. Would infi really be better than pride for my hybrid build? i really think about starting to farm that infi runes. :P
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well i got an eth 4s thresher already, but i dont have the runes for infi. Would infi really be better than pride for my hybrid build? i really think about starting to farm that infi runes. :P


Infinity would be a lot more sexy than Pride. :thumbsup:
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nice progress damn

Quote (ixwichs1 @ May 17 2016 06:26pm)
well, your calculation is not correct:

With a wpn dmg of Ø 427 fana adds Ø 3592 phys dmg (with 71% DS).
That means, with Fana i have Ø 3592 phys dmg + 1-6500 (Ø 3250) light dmg. With Conv i have no additional phys dmg, but "only" the 1-6500 light dmg.
Now to the example monsters:

0 dr, 0 light res:

Fana: Ø 3592 phys dmg + 1-6500 (Ø 3250) light dmg > Ø 6842 total
Conv (-150 enemy res): 0 phys dmg + 1-13000 (Ø 6500) light dmg > Ø 6500 total

50 dr, 50 light res:

Fana: Ø 1796 phys dmg + 1-3250 (Ø 1625) light dmg > Ø 3421 total
Conv (-150 enemy res): 0 phys dmg + 1-13000 (Ø 6500) light dmg > Ø 6500 total

A few more things to consider:
There are a lot of more light immune monsters than physical immunes.
The light dmg range is much bigger than the physical dmg one (thanks to grief).
You can leech from phys dmg, but not from elemental dmg.
Fana boosts your merc as well, Conv does not help him much.

After all that numbers i just prefer the Fana build, that way i can easily switch the dual dream vs shako + exile or other items.


Beast on and conv build is faster than your current build, try it ;) also its funny to run around in bear form
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Jun 3 2016 05:32pm
In our calcs, how would you have zero physical damage?
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Jun 3 2016 05:38pm
By the way, cool build idea. I don't think I've seen this one before. It makes a lot of sense now that I see it. Wish I thought of it.
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