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Jul 30 2019 10:24am
Quote (gel87 @ Jul 30 2019 01:11pm)
u drop raven if cham in helm.
the wisp is awsome vs souls and shit, in combi with Lo in forti. wisp also offer up to 100% mf... dwarf can be used for ubers, however wisp is nice there as well since meph and skellies are the only ones that u dont leech from there.
u seem to missubderstand the rings, the dual leech is the must have one, meanwhile raven is optional if u have cham in helm.



Dont need IAS jewel at helm to bp ias?
If not, ok Cham Guil with wisp + leech ring
Its not for uber or idk
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Quote (rato @ Jul 30 2019 06:24pm)
Dont need IAS jewel at helm to bp ias?
If not, ok Cham Guil with wisp + leech ring
Its not for uber or idk
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you need zero ias. when u wsm bug like this you get a - 50 wsm speed grief. and then the colossus sword act as - 10 wsm wep. so grief ias alone is enought for max break. meanwhile loh and highlord act as further 40ias stack vs decrepefy and holy freeze, although those two slows set ur wsm bug back a little. but ur still fast vs that.

thats 1 of the reasons you use sword, the big wsm differance between them. the other reason is indestructible grief.

its good vs all, super flexible build. if u dont wanna uber with it, then grief colossus sword can be good, but will cost a lot of ral/ort

This post was edited by gel87 on Jul 30 2019 12:45pm
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you need zero ias. when u wsm bug like this you get a - 50 wsm speed grief. and then the colossus sword act as - 10 wsm wep. so grief ias alone is enought for max break. meanwhile loh and highlord act as further 40ias stack vs decrepefy and holy freeze, although those two slows set ur wsm bug back a little. but ur still fast vs that.

thats 1 of the reasons you use sword, the big wsm differance between them. the other reason is indestructible grief.

its good vs all, super flexible build. if u dont wanna uber with it, then grief colossus sword can be good, but will cost a lot of ral/ort



Some1 told me that to use grief and death, it need to be at the same item type, like, both PB, or Axe, etc
If not u lost the benefits of each item
Is it real?
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Jul 30 2019 01:06pm
Quote (rato @ Jul 30 2019 09:52pm)
Some1 told me that to use grief and death, it need to be at the same item type, like, both PB, or Axe, etc
If not u lost the benefits of each item
Is it real?


Colossus sword and Phaseblade are both swords
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Jul 30 2019 01:07pm
Quote (wupa @ Jul 30 2019 04:06pm)
Colossus sword and Phaseblade are both swords



Yes i know
He said that need to be 2x pb
Or 2x colossus
Or 2x whatever
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Jul 30 2019 01:08pm
Quote (rato @ Jul 30 2019 10:07pm)
Yes i know
He said that need to be 2x pb
Or 2x colossus
Or 2x whatever


False.
Gel has explained you the wsm bug twice so far.
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Jul 30 2019 01:14pm
i mean you don't need to use 2 of the same type of weapon (2 swords or 2 axes, etc) but why wouldn't you? certainly you aren't planning on spreading skill points between both sword mastery and axe mastery?
plus using 1 axe 1 sword looks ugly

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Jul 30 2019 01:55pm
to explain this:
1. grief runeword is not indestructible.
2. phaseblade is a - 30 wsm speed wep which also is unbreakeble.
3. grief is not based upon ed% of base wep, it plainly add 3xx-400 base dmg, which means putting that into a fast based wep can do wonders.
4. berzerker axe(0 wsm) is prefered for pvp, as it got 1 more range than swords and it got higher avg dmg than phaseblade and combines nice with beast axe. but it needs repair which makes it exspensive for pvm.
5. colossuss sword is a 10wsm based wep, and highest dmg in class. an eth one offers huge dmg. which makes it fit for death runeword.
6. you do not want to skill both axe and sword masteri
7. grief deal more dmg vs regular mobs than death, however vs bosses and elites and p8 etc death starts dealing more(grief still better vs regular mobs on p8). this is all thanks to crushing blow.
8. last wish does not offer high dmg, and might aura is already given from merc, and it got no ias either, and it does not give indestructible mod like death does.
9. combining a fast wep on boot side and a slow wep at gloves side, and then lift the gloves sided wep and place back into the same spot offers an ias bug. what happens then is that first they average out the wsm speed, and then use this formula to gain further ias boost:
((left wep + right wep / 2) + (right wep - left wep)
example pb + cs: ((10 + - 30)/2) + (-30 - 10) = - 50 wsm speed.

so if u find the correct frenzy guide here he also explains this, and gives ias needed based on frenzy level, i think he even got tables for with fana, but u dont need fana.
if i wanna read a better explanation on wsm bug, then google: "claw basics d2jsp"
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Quote (rato @ Jul 30 2019 03:15pm)
Lmk godly build to hc pvm pls
Maybe i want to use SS


Here is a link:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=61077965&f=87

Do what Zappy says, that will always hold you in track :)
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