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Apr 23 2018 12:02pm
Quote (dinosaurie @ Apr 23 2018 07:36pm)
So u see a big difference between CV/thresher/CA/GT/GP? Maybe if you are only using ur merc and he needs 100 hits to kill a boss himself...



He asked for the best base. I get your point and I am bleeding in the pits right now to get T/GT myself, but in the end he did ask for the best base :D
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Apr 23 2018 12:06pm
imo if u are a Java boss killing shouldnt be a Problem with charged strike
also depends on which armor ur merc is using atm if its not treachery i wouldnt care about the base
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Apr 23 2018 12:55pm
Quote (Camowlin @ Apr 23 2018 10:05am)
Yes you do. Even if the difference seems marginal, more aps can be really nice in combination with CB in boss fights.
If you only need the aura you might aswell socket a Partizan. If you want the best you invest some more time to find an eth Thresher or Giant Thresher.



Treachery = 45 ias, with a CA your bps are 35 ias = 3,57 aps and 56 ias (+Andy)= 3,84 aps.
Choose as you wish :)


Where do you get this info?

Quote (Krassesache123 @ Apr 23 2018 11:06am)
imo if u are a Java boss killing shouldnt be a Problem with charged strike
also depends on which armor ur merc is using atm if its not treachery i wouldnt care about the base


I am using a dusk shroud treach at the moment.

Is there a better merc setup?
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Apr 23 2018 01:24pm
Quote (Kamikaze_Penguin @ Apr 23 2018 08:55pm)
Where do you get this info?


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Apr 23 2018 02:21pm
Sorry for not explaining in my post, was on phone and didnt have much time.

Here is a very good table to look at if you want to know ias/dmg/avg dmg on polearms.

NOTE that this table doesn't count Crushing blow which is a huge boost in dmg vs bosses. Not that is should be any problem since you are playing javazon.

But the #1 rule is: If you are using Infinity, you want as many attacks per second as possible, hence the treachery + 35ias Andy.

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10WSM 0WSM -10WSM winners
IAS Jab Reg Avg Jab Reg Avg Jab Reg Avg 1st 2nd
0 286 135 263 309 144 284 296 137 272 GPA GT
10 305 143 281 333 154 306 321 148 295 GPA GT
15 327 153 301 GPA CA
20 360 166 331 321 160 297 GPA CA
25 352 163 324 350 160 322 GPA CA
30 360 180 333 350 175 324 GPA tie
35 381 176 350 CA GPA
40 393 180 361 GPA CA
45 385 175 354 GPA GT
50 381 191 353 393 197 364 GPA GT
55 385 193 356 GPA GT
60 416 191 382 CA GPA
65 433 197 398 GPA CA
70 416 208 385 GPA CA
75 433 216 400 428 193 393 GPA GT
90 458 208 421 428 214 396 CA GPA
105 458 229 424 481 216 441 GPA CA
125 481 240 445 GPA CA
145 481 214 441 GPA GT
150 508 229 466 CA GPA
175 508 254 470 CA GPA
200 541 240 496 GPA CA

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Conclusion: Cryptic Axe wins at 35, 60, 90-100, and 150-195 IAS. Greater Poleaxe wins at all other IAS.
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Apr 23 2018 04:27pm
So then why does everyone say that a giant thresher/thresher is better than GPA/CA?

Say I went with Andys (No jewel) / Treach / Infinity, that gives 65% IAS which means that GPA is the #1 choice, if you add the 15% ias jewel (which I can't do) then GT is still behind GPA... So in conclusion I'm confused why people are so set on eth threshers/ eth giant threshers based on this chart. Unless I'm missing something?

Or let's take it one step further and say we aren't even going to use Andys and we are going to use Vgaze and we lose the 20% ias because we want more general survivability for our merc and know we just want the aura the GPA still is #1 and GT finaly comes in second place...

This post was edited by Kamikaze_Penguin on Apr 23 2018 04:41pm
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Apr 23 2018 04:46pm
Just use the first eth 4 os elite base you find, you wont notice the difference.
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Apr 23 2018 04:47pm
Quote (Dorislol @ Apr 23 2018 03:46pm)
Just use the first eth 4 os elite base you find, you wont notice the difference.


I understand what you mean but why do people preach GT/T is what I'm curious on...
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Apr 23 2018 04:54pm
Quote (Kamikaze_Penguin @ Apr 24 2018 12:47am)
I understand what you mean but why do people preach GT/T is what I'm curious on...


Cause GT/T is still the best.
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Apr 23 2018 05:34pm
Quote (Dorislol @ Apr 23 2018 03:54pm)
Cause GT/T is still the best.


Based on the chart above, that would say you're wrong so I'm trying to understand the why.... Which I've asked 3x.
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