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Jan 10 2018 09:32am
Quote (PikaBhew @ Jan 10 2018 07:55am)
No idea. Happened a while ago



Pshhh they are mad cuz they didn’t make any money and you did ha
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Jan 10 2018 09:38am
that why u golem from an insight and u use another runeword for merc
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Jan 10 2018 09:43am
Quote (steeltype @ Jan 10 2018 09:38am)
that why u golem from an insight and u use another runeword for merc



Golem still hits bosses. Clay > for slow

But it’s cool. The kill speed on reruns for me on p3 isn’t terrible. Waiting for a hone for sure.
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Quote (PikaBhew @ Jan 10 2018 02:34am)
nvm. i can't edit posts otherwise i would say closed. it does overrule mine..


Only if poison's mercenary has a greater rate than yours.
Otherwise, it doesn't overwrite yours (except for the frame of the hit).

This post was edited by feanur on Jan 10 2018 01:04pm
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Only if poison's mercenary has a greater rate than yours.
Otherwise, it doesn't overwrite yours (except for the frame of the hit).



What do you mean by greater rate? More time?
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Jan 10 2018 06:42pm
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Only if poison's mercenary has a greater rate than yours.
Otherwise, it doesn't overwrite yours (except for the frame of the hit).


Ok, so i did a little bit of research and I want to see if this is accurate, and I've heard you know basically all :P

I was using this as a baseline from a website: a Toxic Small Charm applies 205 bit rate for 125 frames, which is displayed as 100 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds (205*125/256 over 125/25)

My necro currently does 1500 min damage with nova, over 2 seconds. 25 frames=1 second

so my rate would be 1500dmg=X(50/256) where X is the bits, calculates to 7,680 bits.

mercenary currently has insight, so Tal rune does 75 poison damage over 5 seconds.

my merc rate would be 75dmg=x(125/256) where X is the bits, calcualtes to 153.6 and then the game would round down. Thus Nova doesn't not get canceled by Insight merc! And then the frame of which the merc hits, adds his poison damage for that single frame. Let me know if I did that wrong.
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Quote (PikaBhew @ Jan 11 2018 01:42am)
Ok, so i did a little bit of research and I want to see if this is accurate, and I've heard you know basically all :P

I was using this as a baseline from a website: a Toxic Small Charm applies 205 bit rate for 125 frames, which is displayed as 100 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds (205*125/256 over 125/25)

My necro currently does 1500 min damage with nova, over 2 seconds. 25 frames=1 second

so my rate would be 1500dmg=X(50/256) where X is the bits, calculates to 7,680 bits.

mercenary currently has insight, so Tal rune does 75 poison damage over 5 seconds.

my merc rate would be 75dmg=x(125/256) where X is the bits, calcualtes to 153.6 and then the game would round down. Thus Nova doesn't not get canceled by Insight merc! And then the frame of which the merc hits, adds his poison damage for that single frame. Let me know if I did that wrong.


All correct, congratulations !

A (very) minor correction would be : actual damage is not what is displayed.
TAL rune in a weapon is defined as 154 poison rate, for 125 frames.
Then the opposite calculation occurs : 154 * 125 / 256 ~ 75.195... rounded down to a displayed value of 75.

If you have other questions concerning poison (or many other topics), you can start a quick research on this website :
https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Poison_Damage

95% of my 'knowledge' comes from here.
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Jan 11 2018 02:26am
So what does insight on merc do concerning a nova nec in this case? Im not sure i quite understood all this bits and frames
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Quote (feanur @ Jan 11 2018 02:02am)
All correct, congratulations !

A (very) minor correction would be : actual damage is not what is displayed.
TAL rune in a weapon is defined as 154 poison rate, for 125 frames.
Then the opposite calculation occurs : 154 * 125 / 256 ~ 75.195... rounded down to a displayed value of 75.

If you have other questions concerning poison (or many other topics), you can start a quick research on this website :
[URL=https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Poison_Damage]https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php/Poison_Damage[/URL]

95% of my 'knowledge' comes from here.



Fantastic. Thank you.
Quote (Fyla @ Jan 11 2018 02:26am)
So what does insight on merc do concerning a nova nec in this case? Im not sure i quite understood all this bits and frames



It depends on the damage, really. Poison is the only, I think, skill that isn’t measured normally. It’s measured in bits and rates, like shown above. Poison doesn’t do damage every second, it does damage every frame. Bits are the damage it does per frame. I’m sure at a lower level nova would still overrule merc insight poison.

Which means if you attack someone with nova and your merc hits them, it doesn’t get overruled I’d you do more damage per frame. It actually does the damage of nova per frame and damage of the Tal rune per frame for that one hit frame.
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Jan 11 2018 07:19am
Quote (Fyla @ 11 Jan 2018 10:26)
So what does insight on merc do concerning a nova nec in this case? Im not sure i quite understood all this bits and frames


From what i read it says it adds mercs psn to your psn dmg for 1 frame
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