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Mar 2 2020 10:36am
Can’t decide Hybrid life/es or acro/phase Acro.

Assassin with tree from shadow to Templar.

Was bored at work can use some opinions, went Acro last league on it felt decent. Looking to min-max the build a little further this league with some tweaks as I had a blast playing it and this is one of the things I’ve been up in the air about.

Can’t send PoB/tree atm cuz work but if you want later I can send later Basically grab shadow life/crit goes into mid witch then to outter ring till Templar.

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Mar 2 2020 10:50am
If you’re shadow or ranger, there’s no reason to not grab phase acro
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Mar 2 2020 11:09am
assassin elusive works hand in hand with the dodges imo
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Mar 2 2020 01:21pm
Quote (allience @ Mar 2 2020 11:50am)
If you’re shadow or ranger, there’s no reason to not grab phase acro



Well the reason is Ehp vs dodge. Which I went acro last League which felt ok. But instead of going Eva on on armor pieces, was thinking try es bases and get a lil more ehp has build has minimal mitigation. Also point to acro past the life keystone strictly go to acro and maybe outside 3 point jewel, but that 9 points I can shave if iirc correct(at work can’t check)not counting jewel. So was think that may be an option to try this go around also added flexibility on chest piece as I don’t need additional curse potential this go around.

My tree is basically exact copy of that dude HoT build posted recently which I thought was funny, minus the 4point jewel at scion, and I use a thread of hope at Templar. If that help visualize the tree. So I have access to both hybrid circles 1 I take by default above shadow.

/e also I don’t wna thread of hope acro as I don’t think worth - maybe it is idk it’s like 7 point or something. Also since I use staff i can go block instead of dodge as currently use unnatural at witch jewel but can grab the staff block nodes.

Quote (aznvico @ Mar 2 2020 12:09pm)
assassin elusive works hand in hand with the dodges imo



that is not actually a synergy it’s just getting more dodge, which is the route I went the first go around so I understand your logic.

This post was edited by Footballstar0799 on Mar 2 2020 01:24pm
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Mar 2 2020 02:19pm
Sounds decent, Arco-life-es

i would add MoM, i mostly use on Es-life
then the 30%less es, is more of a -12%less hitpoints

30%spelldodge, would mean, 42.9%more effective hitpoints vs multiple hits

0.88/0.7===> 25.7%more effective hitpoints
no MoM, 50-50es-life===> 0.85/0.7==>21.4%
3.3k+6.6k es===>0.8/0.7===> 14.28%more effective hitpoits

e/
4k life + 1.5k mana + 3.5k es+ Acro

compared to acro+life )no es)
you gain 42.9%more life effective hitpoints when not use es
but you overall get 20%more hitpoints from passive tree and gear, if use life-es hybrid
142.9%acro life / 125.7acro life es/1.2=0.94


6%more hitpoints on acro-es-life then on acro-life


This post was edited by Tommyvv on Mar 2 2020 02:27pm
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Quote (Footballstar0799 @ Mar 2 2020 01:21pm)
Well the reason is Ehp vs dodge. Which I went acro last League which felt ok. But instead of going Eva on on armor pieces, was thinking try es bases and get a lil more ehp has build has minimal mitigation. Also point to acro past the life keystone strictly go to acro and maybe outside 3 point jewel, but that 9 points I can shave if iirc correct(at work can’t check)not counting jewel. So was think that may be an option to try this go around also added flexibility on chest piece as I don’t need additional curse potential this go around.

My tree is basically exact copy of that dude HoT build posted recently which I thought was funny, minus the 4point jewel at scion, and I use a thread of hope at Templar. If that help visualize the tree. So I have access to both hybrid circles 1 I take by default above shadow.

/e also I don’t wna thread of hope acro as I don’t think worth - maybe it is idk it’s like 7 point or something. Also since I use staff i can go block instead of dodge as currently use unnatural at witch jewel but can grab the staff block nodes.




that is not actually a synergy it’s just getting more dodge, which is the route I went the first go around so I understand your logic.


Phase acro/acro is the reason why my 100s are always smooth. Its not the only defenses I have, but layered defenses helps against triple beyonds. Not to mention, most of the beyond damage is chaos, so es means nothing.
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Quote (Tommyvv @ Mar 2 2020 03:19pm)
Sounds decent, Arco-life-es

i would add MoM, i mostly use on Es-life
then the 30%less es, is more of a -12%less hitpoints

30%spelldodge, would mean, 42.9%more effective hitpoints vs multiple hits

0.88/0.7===> 25.7%more effective hitpoints
no MoM, 50-50es-life===> 0.85/0.7==>21.4%
3.3k+6.6k es===>0.8/0.7===> 14.28%more effective hitpoits

e/
4k life + 1.5k mana + 3.5k es+ Acro

compared to acro+life )no es)
you gain 42.9%more life effective hitpoints when not use es
but you overall get 20%more hitpoints from passive tree and gear, if use life-es hybrid
142.9%acro life / 125.7acro life es/1.2=0.94


6%more hitpoints on acro-es-life then on acro-life



Going block also an option as my build uses staff. My concern is the bigger hits so I can’t count acro as ehp or mitigation in that scenario, but for smaller
Hits I agree you can consider dodge ehp.

Quote (allience @ Mar 2 2020 04:03pm)
Phase acro/acro is the reason why my 100s are always smooth. Its not the only defenses I have, but layered defenses helps against triple beyonds. Not to mention, most of the beyond damage is chaos, so es means nothing.



Good point about beyond I didn’t run beyond most of league until I got the HH, I did have some chaos res on build to mitigate.

Guess I’ll prob stick with acro again this league, thought saving the points on tree and extra 1-3k es could be worth.

/e Thanks for input, more input welcome as bored at work so convo and other ideas are cool.

This post was edited by Footballstar0799 on Mar 2 2020 03:47pm
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Here, my Acro not gives 30%less es-heals
since my es-heals are flat, based on unbreakable+zealot oath and not on recharge or leech

MoM and es-life notes makes me not even notice -10%less total hitpoints
But the -50%less armour also means less hitpoints

e/considering it, mostly vs melee-attacks-dps

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Mar 2 2020 04:38pm
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Quote (Tommyvv @ Mar 2 2020 05:20pm)
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Here, my Acro not gives 30%less es-heals
since my es-heals are flat, based on unbreakable+zealot oath and not on recharge or leech

MoM and es-life notes makes me not even notice -10%less total hitpoints
But the -50%less armour also means less hitpoints

e/considering it, mostly vs melee-attacks-dps



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