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Jan 3 2019 07:16pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 3 Jan 2019 19:11)
I am 99% confident items were duped in PoE as well by the way when they used to sell items on *....

In the tempest league, back when Lightning Coils were worth something, there was about a total of maybe 20 lightning coils traded for on poe.trade two weeks or so into the league (20 would be a generous estimate...on the day I am talking about there were 4 total available on poe.trade at that time)

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1354365

Posts like this get made. See on that day, *and *just opened their sales for the Tempest league (meaning there was nothing available for purchase prior to July 25, 2015).

Problem was, somebody at these companies fucked up. They priced lightning coils wrongly. They were about $19.95 a pop (at a time when 1 exalt was probably around $23). This was an insane deal because at the time, Lightning coil was around 20-23ex.

You can imagine what happened (or read it in the post above). The market started crashing. People who realized that * had undervalued them started giving insane deals trying to pawn them off, the price quickly went down to 13ex, then 11ex, then 9, then 7, then 6, and as low as 5ex before about 24hrs later * and * fixed the price on lightning coils to be much much higher (I think they repriced it around $99, but I can't remember tbh).

I know all of this because I made 2 orders that day for like $120 (because I got in early and offloaded the first 3 lightning coils above 12ex), and a friend of mine I know made an equally large purchase of them.


So between us, just me and my friend alone, we sold ~12 lightning coils in Tempest on that day. I know we weren't the only ones that caught the error on *s behalf, because there were easily 30-40 LCs that went up on poe.trade that day in Tempest, and that does not include people who just bought 1 lightning coil for their own use (and weren't trying to make money off of it).

Of the 12 lightning coils that me and my friend purchased, every single one of them was ilvl 74.

OPTION 1

Somebody duped items, and on opening market day of the RMT scene at *and * for Tempest league (which are the same fucking thing btw, when you used to buy from * like I did your receipt like in my link above in my email actually comes from * cause they are owned by the same people, just trying to say they are not in competition), somebody fucked up the pricing for the first 24hrs and it was allowed to slip under the radar for that long.

OPTION 2

For the two weeks previous in the league, the people of * were frantically botting currency/using fg/some other means that doesn't involve duping to buy up the market of lightning coils or div cards or something, and it just so fucking happens that these people who found the lighning coils all happen to find ilvl 74 ones....and not post them on jsp or poe.trade or exclusively sold them all the *.

Chris makes this post stating no items were duped. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3ejzyj/discussion_dupe_high_level_uniq/ctg5jmb/

In Summary

I am confident (like 99% level) that the lightning coils that * fucked up the price on were duped. 2 reasons;

a) Let's do the math. Lets be super generous to illustrate my point. Lets say between jsp and poe.trade 50 (50! if you go dig through the history, you will find out quickly that my 20 number above was insanely generous) lightning coils were available for trade total in the first 2 weeks of the league.

Me and my friend, just the two of us, bought 12 lightning coils on Tempest HC, on that day (within minutes each time making an order). This makes me believe there was a lot of stock. Its not like * on opening day had 10 lightning coils, which would be 1/5th of the total lightning coils total found in that league given our generous estimate above, started selling them at $19.95 and ran out of stock in seconds. Between me and my friend alone in that 24hr period we made multiple orders of 3, all delivered in minutes, all spaced at a minimum 2-4 hours. Again I'd like to point out what I said above. I believe that the evidence that me and my friend did not receive a message stating that an error had been made, or that they ran out of stock, is extremely relevant. We got the impression that they had an abundance of these based on our multiple orders spaced over hours and quick deliveries.

I can't believe that me and my friend were the only people buying lightning coils on Tempest that day... it would be very hard to convince me of that (mostly because I knew other people at the time who watched * prices at league opening).

b) It is too coincidental to me that they were all ilvl 74. This only contributes a little bit to the 99% though. Reason a) is a much better indicator to me

So 1 of 2 things is true, 100%, without a doubt. * either controlled ~90-95% of the Tempest lightning coil market on July 25th, 2015, through some way got all the lightning coils exclusively in the two weeks prior, and all the lightning coils just by mere chance happened to be ilvl 74 (remarkably low fucking chance)....or* had duped items and only started selling them when they opened the market for the league. You tell me which is more likely.

If they did have 95% control over the LC market (through either botted currency trades or "other" trades) and were hoarding them all until they opened sales on July 25th, 2015, that says something else about the power that RMT has in PoE. So neither scenario is really a saving grace.




Taken from reddit.
So this site had HUNDREDS of lightning coils 14 days into a league when there was 20 total previously.
They say its a dupe, chris says no dupe.
I just assume some one at GGG was spawning items for them.
This site was owned by the guy they sold 7.5% of the company to.

Would like to know which jsper posted this too :)



I remember the ilvl74 coils very well, there were many conspiracies, although it's far more likely that someone unrelated to GGG discovered a dupe and was providing stock. There has been a few dupe methods discovered over the years especially in the earlier days. Those companies would pay you to stock them when it comes to valuable uniques especially if you can provide bulk, they would mark it up and make insane profits. Doubt it's like that anymore

This post was edited by Meatstick on Jan 3 2019 07:20pm
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Jan 4 2019 01:52am
So for a guy who isn’t new but who’s been abscene for a while, who is Quin anyway and why are all streamers really fond of him? Did he just appear out of nowhere to twitch or PoE or was he a big streamer that played another game before?
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Jan 4 2019 04:11am
Quote (xaz @ Jan 4 2019 09:52am)
So for a guy who isn’t new but who’s been abscene for a while, who is Quin anyway and why are all streamers really fond of him? Did he just appear out of nowhere to twitch or PoE or was he a big streamer that played another game before?


oh! i know this one ^_^ ! i asked the same question once, turns out quin was some big d3 streamer, and now had to flee the sinking ship :lol: anyway i dont like him, i have a bad feeling about him, he yells too much, and also he tried to enter poe streaming scene "through the little door" as they say in my country, by making clips with other streamers to gain fast attention etc :wacko: also doesnt help that some youtube channels that make compilations or rips and such also put a lot of quin in the clips because hes well known at least in SOME game, so why not. tldr fuck quin :mellow:
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Jan 4 2019 07:01am
Quote (Snyft2 @ Jan 4 2019 12:11pm)
oh! i know this one ^_^ ! i asked the same question once, turns out quin was some big d3 streamer, and now had to flee the sinking ship :lol: anyway i dont like him, i have a bad feeling about him, he yells too much, and also he tried to enter poe streaming scene "through the little door" as they say in my country, by making clips with other streamers to gain fast attention etc :wacko: also doesnt help that some youtube channels that make compilations or rips and such also put a lot of quin in the clips because hes well known at least in SOME game, so why not. tldr fuck quin :mellow:


He seems super unfunny and tries way too hard.
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Jan 4 2019 07:18am
Quote (xaz @ Jan 4 2019 09:01am)
He seems super unfunny and tries way too hard.


he has more viewers than most the long time poe streamers, so he is always on the front page of GGG's website whenever he is on
and ya he just screams all the time, he was totally calm when he got banned.
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Jan 4 2019 07:25am
Quote (Caulder10 @ 4 Jan 2019 14:18)
he has more viewers than most the long time poe streamers, so he is always on the front page of GGG's website whenever he is on
and ya he just screams all the time, he was totally calm when he got banned.


He wasn't calm in the clip I watched. More like in some panic mode.
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Jan 4 2019 07:29am
Quote (Caulder10 @ Jan 4 2019 03:18pm)
he has more viewers than most the long time poe streamers, so he is always on the front page of GGG's website whenever he is on
and ya he just screams all the time, he was totally calm when he got banned.


really annoying personality imo, maybe it's just a persona? i don't find him entertaining at all and don't see how he can have constant 5k+ viewers but that's just me :p
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Jan 4 2019 07:31am
Quote (xaz @ Jan 4 2019 09:29am)
really annoying personality imo, maybe it's just a persona? i don't find him entertaining at all and don't see how he can have constant 5k+ viewers but that's just me :p


its just the culture we are in these days.
I dont 'get' the whole watching other people play games thing. Even more so paying them to watch them play...
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Jan 4 2019 09:11am
Wondering how this thread got past 2 comments and 10 views and yet to be locked :unsure:
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Jan 4 2019 09:13am
Quote (xaz @ Jan 4 2019 01:01pm)
He seems super unfunny and tries way too hard.


quin is to twitch as snyft is to jsp, probably easiest explanation
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