Normal price is 90 to 100 fg like i mentioned it will go back down to these prices

Still laughing at the flippers trying so so hard to persuade people to keep it at 115

I'm not feeling so well today, http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72899415&f=160&o=20 ( Honestly I could do with the distraction)

< Music for you to listen while you read dis. (it's only fair, I Watched that video)

But lets refer back to http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72808253&f=160&o=0 (my Market report.)

I wrote this on June 10th.

http://poe.trade/search/osohamohokohim Divine orbs >3:2 Ex & 5:4 ratio from 2:1EX
http://poe.trade/search/harinoyomanono Eternal's >7EX Each from 5EX
http://poe.trade/search/inoruriahokita Mirror> 270-300EX each (Bare in mind The next gen Mirror items isn't out yet, Mirror panic hype week shot Mirrors up to 350EX's (Was firm 200-220 for 2-4 months before tierlist patch) when New teirlist came out [We'll talk about this later], When the Next Gen Mirror Items are created, Expect Mirror prices to sky rocket, as They are a limited resource, There's noway they're enough Mirrors to creatire Full Body BiS even for the Richest players {Me included even though, I'm poor http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72847405&f=160&p=491686978#p491686978})

by my Predictions, Exalts should be a cheaper orb, because of the inflation of Divine orbs, Eternals and Mirrors, it's not Necessary because Exalt's drops orbs, just suddenly drops more etc, It's because the exchange rate of exalts has devalued in comparison to the three, Remember the Super market talk we had?



on top of this, Players are slowly returning to PoE in preparation for 2.0, Thus more Currency flows in the poe economy, Thus effecting the prices of D2jsp FG > Exalts pricing, since it bares down to Supply and demand, If exalt's are easily attainable prices are surely to fall, if exalts are rare, prices would surely rise etc.

On point with Returning players, Not Every player checks the Current rate of Exalt's before trades, they'll just trade for whatever they had done for in the past. (100-105FG post's) On top of that, D2jsp has a big temp league player base, if those players like "alpha" doesn't "Care" for the standard league, they just wana cash out of standard and inject that fg> currency in the new temp leagues.

From my Reasoning, Without 2.0 This "panic wave" is like a flippers paradise.



If there is a non consensus in Exalted orbs pricing, it spells one great big word, and thats "Profit".
In 2.0, Players has no reason at all to hoard Exalted orbs, - Reasoning, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to Hoard exalteds orbs in Your bank, Why? Exalted orbs Cannot buy you BiS Items, when the newly made NEXT gen Mirror items, Will simply not be sold, (You wont Mirror something @350 Exalts and 200 Exalts free and sell it for LESS, Unless there's a better version released (probaly 1-2 months after the crafter gained crap loads of money IF the Mirrored item Isnt Already 6t1 all perfect) or you majorly fucked up / want to change to a new build etc. Bare in mind Expensive unique like Pledge of hands 6 link / AQT's pricing works abit differently, The price on Expensive/rare unique prices depends on the power it provides you / the Meta, For example, as rare's are getting new Teirlist / Potentially higher / better than unique, players are more inclined to pay more to use a rare over a unique. (There's Currently no information on unique's buff on PoE 2.0 Power creep (AKA they're mostly staying the same, Essentially they're becoming worst.))

With those exalteds coming out of Flippers / Rich wealth players, There will be more Exalted orb's in circulation, Thus Exalted orbs would be in more supply, AKA lowering the prices / ratio since it's not needed. DEBUNKER - Exalted orbs would be used for crafting, thus less exalted orbs = more value.



Exalteds farr out number Eternal's greatly, and the Exalts that will pulled out from stash into the circulation economy far greatly out numbers the exalteds VS Eternal's used. Given on http://cb.poedb.tw/us/mod.php?type=16 Rolling Next gen T1 Dictator's / T1 Merciless is @ 0.05% Chance Aprox 2000 ET & Eternal's used for the crafts.

Exalts would be used to buy Divines, (yes divines are actually rarer to drop than exalts) Alot of Divines would be used, and the population of corrupted tabula's has taken a Serious hit in the last few weeks, as players are converting them into divines, Thus with major crafters / Guild's are currently hoarding them, They'll rise.

Now, Let me Indulge you, if I already haven't, Let me show you a personal case study.

http://poe.trade/search/emoyatonoaroka Glyph mark, Before the new Tierlist announcement, was 290-320 Exalts a pop, now currently 05/07/2015 they're 260Ex online, 2nd Edition (Best divined editon 9.4% Crit) You can go into trade chat, and probably buy one for 230-240 if you're willing to wait / good with negotiations. Although Glyph mark is a Current gen BiS 6T1 (Future 6T2 Rare) it is still very dam frigging good, Not everybody can afford the next gen Mirrored items, and they'll take time to be crafted (Personal predictions 1-7 days for the new dagger by AXN -confrimed last time I heard rumors) Glyph Mark would Still be a Solid bow, if the Next gen Mirrored items are 500+ exalts, (Atleast untill they are mirrored too much and devalues) It's value should be retained at a similar value, for a good time yet.

Same could be said with Loath bane ambushers, http://poe.trade/search/taritasohamaka Currently 195Ex on xyz, but Actual flipper's value is aprox 150EX Thus Trade chat value is Aprox 180-190EX, From Aprox 230-250 before the confirmation of the new teirlist.

My point is, If you panic and sell right now, You've got nothing to gain. Infact you'll lose money, when you release you cannot afford the full body BiS Item's again, without a function character you have no access to farm income; Even if you mirror, the First Edition of Mirrored items... you'll still lose, As first edition mirrorbles are TYPICALLY Challenaged/ better divined by other crafters or a dynamic meta shift/ Early Ggg nerf bat / patch correction notes.

The key of it all is, purely intelligence, establish your sources make friends, and think ahead of the Major population of the PoE community.

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Okay okay to the original FG problem, As I have stated the before, I'm a complete noob when it comes to fg conversion / strategy standpoint; However if I see the number's as a non consensus, I'll make a profit. {Also talk about this problem later} for example, They're threads on D2jsp that's pretty oblivious... if there's a guy Selling head hunter belt for 10k fg, and fg > Exalt conversion is @ 120fg per exalt, 10k/1.2 = 83.33 EG, when HH's flipper price is at 95-100EX in game, thats 100-95EX - 83.33 = 16.67 Ex profit to be made, Current HH belt ingame is aprox 105-110EX

Exalted > FG ratio currently influx's too unstably, for my personal taste, FG is a entity made up from an illegal website that we abid by, if you are caught you will be banned etc. However we are a somewhat "small" community, from a statistical stand point, Please take a look at -

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72865605&f=160 - Self found poll
813 views, 90 Total votes
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72879745&f=160 - Grand Scheme of PoE levels poll
364 views, 81 Total votes

From The prisoner's dilemma video as a reference, and yes, We're all human, and as human's we are all greedy by nature, Just like communism for example, It's a GREAT idea, only if we weren't so human. I am personally reasonable from rising FG > Ex ratio when exalts were @90> 100 & @110>120, as I bought out, and converted every possible exalts @ the 90 range to 100. Everything escalated when other players followed, on @110>120 I sold alot, and Players followed due to limitation/ Scarcity of Exalts. (I've apologized for this before, and I apologize for doing so again, but I'll 100% Do it again, since I don't like storing FG, and ofc (I'm poor, pls believe me noa))

In relevance to point, What I'm trying express is that, we are a small community, if exalt's prices influxes, from 120fg > 100fg per ex, and the next day it's 100fg >110fg (bad maths forgive me), You are ACTUALLY gaining no profits, it only further devalues the pricing of orbs & FG, That is Unless you use your FG for other things, like D2/ Other games or RMT shop websites, You cannot flip something for a Currency that does not have a existential value, Better example? (Buy exalts for 100FG each, Try sell exalts for 110Fg, If you Rise the Existing Market Exalt orbs to 110FG, your stock IG currency and FG further devalues)

D2jsp has ties to Rmt shops, if you push up the value of exalts or FG, It'll reflect back on RMT Values, IF the amount is sufficent, it'll casue a echo'ing through the realms, If RMT value rises, What have you Really gained? Nothing.

With this said, there is a essential flaw, we are the D2JSP community, a mere faction of the Live realms population, What essentially happens is that we get more orbs & FG that devalues, but the Live realm players gets poorer, and poorer.


Ty for Reading.

This post was edited by Lamperouge on Jul 4 2015 06:46pm

Yeah I was surprised when people were panic selling Glyph tbh. Loath Bane understandable because of all the changes to LL.

It's probably also a reason that if I do get a Mirrored item in 2.0, it'll be a Glyph Mark, which I will be quite happy with. I've had this 388 pDPS Harbinger for a while now, and it gets the job done just fine. An upgrade to Glyph Mark would be awesome, but in terms of the trade off of losing a Mirror fee for what, 50 pDPS, for a new 6T1 Mirrored Bow compared to my current is not even a decision. We're talking approaximately a 11-13% increase (estimate, haven't calculated it out yet) from my base pDPS bow, that I'd have to pay what I imagine would be significant Mirror fee for. Yeah, no thanks. I can already do the things I want to do with my current gear, maybe not optimally, but they can be accomplished. They may need a little bump in 2.0 to handle 80+ Maps, but that's still a while out. What I do know is, Glyph will do the job just fine. I actually plan on trying to buy another (then) 6T2 Mirrored Items to finish my other character at some point too. But with my level of wealth I won't be Mirroring anything new, so I'll fall into a particular bracket of the economy.

Also, in unrelated news, I'm surprised that axn took a week or less to craft Loath Bane T_T

Pretty unreal tbh

fking tldr

Ty lamp for assuming i was selling off my standard stuff for temp league

I assure you thats not the case

Im just merely letting everyone know, that flippers trying to keep the already raised price of 115 per exalt or trying to raise the price will not work just due to supply and demand

Will go back down to 90-100 the "normal" price

d2jsp does not have enough loyal standard players for exalted orbs to raise in price thats literally all it boils down too unless the loyal players plan on buying and selling to each other like a circle which obviously wouldn't work

If you have nothing invested into exalted orbs aka buying mass amounts at 115-110 fg before the drop then you have nothing to worry about

Noone is even buying at 105 anymore

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72904552&f=107

These would have been instantly sold a week ago

Yep, got 0 fg and zero exhalteds (actually just 1, and zero eternals and zero mirror) - everything used for my char, got a lovely playing mashine to complete my project.

Have mirrored vengeance collar - damn what a sick amu

"exactly
no one is hoarding 1000's of exalts ingame lol people are hoarding eternals / buying eternals

Exalts will not rise in price

ALSO price rising ingame does not directly translate to it rising in fg price on jsp" <<<< This Part I read completely wrong, I thought you said, EX >FG will sky rocket (I was at work, and Dyslexia got the best outta me), I applogise. My phone is the real culprit though, psst, He has a mind of his own, Dont tell him I said that though! (On pc atm)

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/Facepalm if everybody is hoarding mirror and eternals, they are paying exalts for them, if they are desperate they'll pay More exalts for eternals and mirrors, WHICH in term lowers the value of exalts.

But yeah, my orginial post/ link was for igc stand point not fg. Which is why earlier I stated idk much on fg pov.
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Honest mistake, The Double negative got abit confusing, if an Exalted is 130 FG its is worth more, whereas if a exalt is worth 90 it is more less. (been working quite hard lately, lack of sleep got the best outta me.)



There's been ALOT of drama on the forums recently (I'm partly to blame), Didn't you say something along the lines that you didn't care about standard league, and you only play temps etc? I may have mistaken you as someone else, but when I was typing about this, you're the first I thought of , Which was nice, (I thought about chuuu~~) Anyways my Intent wasn't to insult / bash you, I'm just probably name the wrong person, as a example.

I can't Really remember, my thought process when I voted for 130fg+ for exalts... When I stated the devalue of exalts last month on the 10th... But it seems our theory is pretty much in line with each other now though. Huh, So this is what working, and sleeping 3-4 hours a day x7 does to you. (I caught up on sleep last night, but dealing with personal issues atm, and just generally thinking again.)

Loyal Standard players, doesn't flip with each other, If they see an item they want, bulk sell their Currency's into fg, and make buy the item, and resell such item for a higher IGC currency. (Refer back to the essay post about Head hunters etc)

Standard flippers tends to buy low FG exalts, and Sell expensive exalts to those in a rush / those who needs Temp leagues conversions etc, you know? like those 1 off trades.

This post was edited by Lamperouge on Jul 4 2015 11:07pm

Well thank you for thinking about me

I dont mean to cause drama with turdfarmer and this has caused quite a lot of drama

Just stating my opinions of what ive seen on this forum since 2013, Been playing since 2011

I play temp leagues until they end so they will always be my focus but ive accumulated a nice amount of wealth on poe over the past 4 years so i would never sell out for a temp league, especially since prices drastically drop everyday

Im usually selling my advantage's away for the extra fg to spend on standard (1 ex usually sales for 900-1200 fg first week of temp)

The 90-100 price range that i gave awhile back is what it drops too every temp league, it won't change on d2jsp since not enough standard players here

I'm still struggling with myself right now, I'm not sure if I wanna do a BiS 6T1 2H / Dagger BiS Mirror craft Collaboration, There's been a good few people whose Already approached me with offers so far, but after I explained the new 0.05% T1 roll rate, they all kinda strangely lost interest...

Typically when the new Leagues comes out, There's ALOT of profit to be made, I made aprox 200-300 EX in the first week of new temp leagues... but Do I sacrifice my fortune on Standard to gain 200-300? I'm not sure, I wana Min max the heck outta my builds, but with the new Mirror race that I'm too poor to participate in, Perhaps Just rushing from act 3> act 4 on my main characters would be sufficient enough? I'd just remake my build guides, once Mirror crafts arrives / Betterly divined etc? (Not the first edition Glyph etc) or To generally Avoid GGG Sniper patches.

I'm still on the fence...

Alpha, you sound oddly familiar, Were we ever accomplices of a crime in our past lives?

This post was edited by Lamperouge on Jul 4 2015 11:17pm