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Jul 5 2022 12:14pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 5 Jul 2022 19:42)
I would buy premium tabs & dedicated tabs (currency, fragments...)because there would be no other choice if i was planning to play this "free to play" game for more than a week.
I would take care not buying the Annihilator supporter pack because it includes a tshirt that could have been made by forced labor Uyghurs.

Yeah, sad.


Where do you think major american clothing labels produce their products?
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Jul 5 2022 12:32pm
Quote (OrcishDevil @ 5 Jul 2022 18:14)
Where do you think major american clothing labels produce their products?


I think it is whataboutism.
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Jul 5 2022 12:46pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 5 Jul 2022 20:32)
I think it is whataboutism.


I think thats a hipster word being used when in lack of a valid point.
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Jul 5 2022 12:53pm
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I think thats a hipster word being used when in lack of a valid point.


It was not a point, it was a deflexion.

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Jul 5 2022 12:55pm
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It was not a point, it was a deflexion.


I mean...arguing about their supporter packs shirt being produced in china ...is kinda pointless when 50% of the worlds cloths are being produced in China and like 40% in India, Bangladesh and Vietnam, isnt it?
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Jul 5 2022 01:02pm
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I mean...arguing about their supporter packs shirt being produced in china ...is kinda pointless when 50% of the worlds cloths are being produced in China and like 40% in India, Bangladesh and Vietnam, isnt it?


I wrote enough on GGG in this topic to consider that taking 1 point and circle jerking around it is simply not fair.
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Jul 5 2022 01:10pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 5 Jul 2022 21:02)
I wrote enough on GGG in this topic to consider that taking 1 point and circle jerking around it is simply not fair.


Doesnt "circle jerking" involve more than one person? :o
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Jul 5 2022 02:53pm
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are we now bashing every battle pass to ever exist? and every time limited cosmetic?


GGG isn't just one of the many, they were one of the first. GGG uses predatory tactics where they don't need to, it doesn't matter how much you love the game if you can't see this you are pretty slow. I've spent thousands on this game and I don't regret it because I've also played 10k+ hours.

- (Supporter packs) - these used to be promoted in a way that you were helping a "small indie company" survive. They don't need "support" when they are owned by the biggest gaming company on the planet. But more importantly they are a timed mtx that you lose access to that triggers FOMO (Fear of Missing Out)

- (Loot Boxes) - These are gambling, and it doesn't matter whether or not you are winning money or gaining player power they aimed at fostering addictions in children and adults with little to no willpower. You can say it is the buyers fault and thats fine, most people including ggg knows this is targeting weak minded individuals which is why governments are finally stepping in across the globe.

- (battle pass) - This is a lesser offense but it doubles down when you have to earn the rewards and the pass itself goes away after x time. Regardless of what other companies are doing again this is FOMO (fear of missing out) and a predatory tactic. It's also a slap in the face to their core audience when dev time is spent making alt arts and alt effects for paid items when the base game items look like mud. You used to get these alt arts from racing.. you know.. effort and playing..

- (stash tabs) - This is pay to win whether you'd like to admit it or not, when you're doing anything in the game you are interacting with the inventory tetris ggg themselves have created. Any time in your hideout is time that isn't spent progressing your character. You are buying efficiency from a company that makes their game less efficient by adding more and more useless junk every league. I own one of every tab and multiple of others and its a joke how people can even argue against this just because you aren't buying levels. Over the course of a league you're buying hours/days of gametime just from inventory management.

- (Gameplay loops) - As I said ggg isn't one of the many they were one of the FIRST companies to employ these kinds of methods, Chris has given speeches at developer workshops on how to get your players playing for as much time as possible so they can spend as much money as possible. They are fostering addictive gameplay to put their hooks into you as they then employ manipulative tactics to take advantage of addictive spending.
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Jul 5 2022 03:20pm
Quote (Proxi @ Jul 5 2022 06:48pm)
wonder if you also bash that time limited christmas-themed box of chocolates when you walk by them in stores


as i said, its more than that. those are the least of their offenses and people could forgive them for it because its just standard practice right now, although in its core it does abuse human psychology

Quote (Catto @ Jul 5 2022 06:36pm)
People who believe that GGG cares about their customers probably believe that corporations really love the homosexuals just because they put a colored filter on their Twitter account's avatar in June


lol so true :lol:

Quote (Gamuwu @ Jul 5 2022 10:53pm)
GGG isn't just one of the many, they were one of the first. GGG uses predatory tactics where they don't need to, it doesn't matter how much you love the game if you can't see this you are pretty slow. I've spent thousands on this game and I don't regret it because I've also played 10k+ hours.

- (Supporter packs) - these used to be promoted in a way that you were helping a "small indie company" survive. They don't need "support" when they are owned by the biggest gaming company on the planet. But more importantly they are a timed mtx that you lose access to that triggers FOMO (Fear of Missing Out)

- (Loot Boxes) - These are gambling, and it doesn't matter whether or not you are winning money or gaining player power they aimed at fostering addictions in children and adults with little to no willpower. You can say it is the buyers fault and thats fine, most people including ggg knows this is targeting weak minded individuals which is why governments are finally stepping in across the globe.

- (battle pass) - This is a lesser offense but it doubles down when you have to earn the rewards and the pass itself goes away after x time. Regardless of what other companies are doing again this is FOMO (fear of missing out) and a predatory tactic. It's also a slap in the face to their core audience when dev time is spent making alt arts and alt effects for paid items when the base game items look like mud. You used to get these alt arts from racing.. you know.. effort and playing..

- (stash tabs) - This is pay to win whether you'd like to admit it or not, when you're doing anything in the game you are interacting with the inventory tetris ggg themselves have created. Any time in your hideout is time that isn't spent progressing your character. You are buying efficiency from a company that makes their game less efficient by adding more and more useless junk every league. I own one of every tab and multiple of others and its a joke how people can even argue against this just because you aren't buying levels. Over the course of a league you're buying hours/days of gametime just from inventory management.

- (Gameplay loops) - As I said ggg isn't one of the many they were one of the FIRST companies to employ these kinds of methods, Chris has given speeches at developer workshops on how to get your players playing for as much time as possible so they can spend as much money as possible. They are fostering addictive gameplay to put their hooks into you as they then employ manipulative tactics to take advantage of addictive spending.


oooh that was well put i must admit ^_^ ! i dont really have anything to add :blush: !
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Jul 5 2022 03:44pm
Quote (Proxi @ Jul 5 2022 12:48pm)
wonder if you also bash that time limited christmas-themed box of chocolates when you walk by them in stores


I didnt see this and I know you don't care you are just getting your +1s in but this is the worst analogy.

Holiday themed items irl get much cheaper the day after the holiday takes place. Christmas trees, decorations, chocolates etc go for 10-20% the cost they normally do after christmas. Not only that but they can easily be found many months later and.. resold.

Comparing a perishable that takes space to store that sells for cheaper after the event ends to a digital item that; lasts forever, can be duplicated at will, takes no money to store, and can't be traded or resold is silly.

These mtx have no reason to be limited time, it brings nothing to the game, there is no technological or legal reason to do so. It is just to trigger that sweet sweet FOMO to get your lizard brains to swipe that credit card.

You know why you log into town and not your hideout? So you see the asshole with the no longer available mtx so the next time ones up on the shop you make sure you grab it!
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