Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ 9 Apr 2019 07:37)

...??

a good pker on d2 would murder a bad one even if they had better gear.. unless it was a stupid matchup like Zeal vs zeal or barb vs barb or some shit

so no you are completely wrong

Quote (MindC0ntr0l. @ Apr 9 2019 06:42pm)

so buying items on d2 is not pay2win, but buying headhunter on poe is pay2win

Quote (Snyft2 @ 9 Apr 2019 17:54)

personally i consider "pay to win" when you pay to the company that made the game to win :wacko: you wanna be more efficient in selling in poe? pay ggg to get premium tabs. actually you cant even trade without premium tabs, you would have to either use acquisition (didnt work on synthesis start, not sure about now), procurement (massive pain in the ass to install on some browsers), or god forbid, trade chat :wacko: synthesis isnt even pay to win, its pay to play :mellow: try it with 4 tabs and see how much you last!

d2 on the other hand wasnt p2w because you couldnt do anything blizzard related that would help you be better. sure you could buy items on various places, but you can do that for any game of the type, and if its not the company owning the game its not p2w <_<

but as for what slam said, in d2 items did matter much much less than skill, that impacts the game pvp a lot and is a reason why people burn out from poe, but didnt from d2. i could have a random sorc wearing viper/spirit/random shit to hit 105 fcr and still rape you if you dont have experience in pvp, and i was a mediocre dueler in d2 :wacko: so yeah, d2 will always be a superior game :drool:

Quote (MindC0ntr0l. @ Apr 9 2019 01:03pm)

he said its p2w cause you can buy headhunter on day2 of the league... you can also buy enigma on day2 of diablo2, so how would it be any different?
i've played for years without premium tabs and didnt bother me at all, just took a little longer to set items for trade
as for # of tabs, i only use 4 + currency, maps, essence and div ones
you can create multiple characters to have some extra stash space if you don't feel like buying extra tabs... obviously it feels way better to have tabs, but its not like you can't play without them

Quote (allience @ Apr 9 2019 11:06am)

This is correct, but I also refuse to play the game without tabs. Once you get to a certain skill level in this game (maybe experience is a better term), you will accumulate more items than you can ever carry with just 4 tabs. And they all sell, eventually.

Just today: I’ve sold off 9 items that’s been sitting there since week 1, for a total of 153 exas. It’ll take a while, but it all sells. All the jewels and stuff I put up for 50-120c sells after a week or two too.

Quote (HereComesTheKraken @ 9 Apr 2019 19:13)

Just because you refuse to play without them doesn't mean people don't tho. Certain countries don't allow online purchases I have 2 homies from Sudan who can't make any purchases period. They both play with the normal 4 tabs for the past like 5 leagues?

Its 100% pay to convenience not win. You can still buy sell and trade without premium tabs. Granted yes it is harder. But once again that falls under pay to convenience

Quote (HereComesTheKraken @ Apr 9 2019 01:13pm)

Just because you refuse to play without them doesn't mean people don't tho. Certain countries don't allow online purchases I have 2 homies from Sudan who can't make any purchases period. They both play with the normal 4 tabs for the past like 5 leagues?

Its 100% pay to convenience not win. You can still buy sell and trade without premium tabs. Granted yes it is harder. But once again that falls under pay to convenience

Quote (MindC0ntr0l. @ Apr 9 2019 08:03pm)

he said its p2w cause you can buy headhunter on day2 of the league... you can also buy enigma on day2 of diablo2, so how would it be any different?
i've played for years without premium tabs and didnt bother me at all, just took a little longer to set items for trade
as for # of tabs, i only use 4 + currency, maps, essence and div ones
you can create multiple characters to have some extra stash space if you don't feel like buying extra tabs... obviously it feels way better to have tabs, but its not like you can't play without them

Quote (Snyft2 @ 9 Apr 2019 20:10)

yeah i dont agree thats the reason why its pay to win, pay to win is pay to the owning company to win, poe has that and d2 doesnt. and if you think both are p2w, then that would mean any game of that kind is p2w, so you still agree with my initial assumption that poe is p2w :P

but i do agree with him that whether d2 is pay to win or not, it is definitely less pay to win than poe, because in poe items matter much more, stash matters much more, in general your experience is absolute shit without some features like stash tabs, while d2 doesnt have it! (please dont argue that tabs dont matter <_< )

so d2 is either not p2w or less p2w than poe. poe is p2w no matter what :wacko:

Quote (MindC0ntr0l. @ Apr 9 2019 09:15pm)

p2w would mean you're competing with others and getting an advantage... 99% of people aren't even competing, just taking things at their own pace, be it faster or slower than most
so tabs are only for convenience... even allience example, which is fair, doesnt apply to most of us
if i find an item worth 20ex and it doesnt sell in 1 day, i just lower it to 19 or to 18ex, i don't sit on items and i don't need to be that precise when selling/buying