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#31
Aug 4 2022 10:17am
Quote (Hopelessness @ 3 Aug 2022 12:21)
nerfs are justified mostly imo
ok the necro unnatty strength removal (replacement with unholy strength lmao!) of +2 skill is dumb af

I think problem is that it should be balanced with buff to new/old skills and promote them, that's the classic 'rotation of meta'
only nerfs reflects poorly on devs

don't quite understand why they ruin minions so harshly, otherwise seems fine
let's wait for patch notes + league mechanics (I assume some nerfing will be offset by new powercreep?)


The thing GGG trying to accomplish is a shift from gems/stats into items.
The +2 isnt gone its in the helmet and not depending anymore on doing labs. Which in my opinion is a good thing.
Skellies are strong builds and upcoming nerves will not change it. Only next season even more dependency on using cluster jewels.
Minions are not ruined at all. But again thats my opinion.

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#32
Aug 4 2022 10:22am
Quote (caitlin @ Aug 4 2022 06:17pm)
The thing GGG trying to accomplish is a shift from gems/stats into items.
The +2 isnt gone its in the helmet and not depending anymore on doing labs. Which in my opinion is a good thing.
Skellies are strong builds and upcoming nerves will not change it. Only next season even more dependency on using cluster jewels.
Minions are not ruined at all. But again thats my opinion.


but wouldnt shifting power from gems and stats to items make grinding for items even more important and char creation less :unsure: ? i miss the d2 days where all my items needed to do was to give me full res and hit the breakpoints :cry:
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#33
Aug 4 2022 10:40am
Quote (caitlin @ Aug 4 2022 09:17am)
The thing GGG trying to accomplish is a shift from gems/stats into items.
The +2 isnt gone its in the helmet and not depending anymore on doing labs. Which in my opinion is a good thing.
Skellies are strong builds and upcoming nerves will not change it. Only next season even more dependency on using cluster jewels.
Minions are not ruined at all. But again thats my opinion.


"Minions" are always going to be good especially early on and scale high with investment. The problem is you can make builds with items like poets pen, icestom whatever that item is, iron commander and a ton of other spell and attack item builds and absolutely stomp the game. You try to make a build with a minion based item only build and youll be lucky to do red maps with it.
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#34
Aug 4 2022 10:43am
Quote (Sh00p @ Aug 4 2022 09:40am)
"Minions" are always going to be good especially early on and scale high with investment. The problem is you can make builds with items like poets pen, icestom whatever that item is, iron commander and a ton of other spell and attack item builds and absolutely stomp the game. You try to make a build with a minion based item only build and youll be lucky to do red maps with it.


:wacko:

this is delusion
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#35
Aug 4 2022 10:46am
Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ Aug 4 2022 09:43am)
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this is delusion


Animated gaurdians cannot use bows to take advantage of jewel that allows ranged weapons. If they could, maybe an item that makes animated weapons stronger with the drawback of only having animated weapons would be more interesting/viable.

How is this delusion again?
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#36
Aug 4 2022 10:48am
Quote (Sh00p @ Aug 4 2022 09:46am)
Animated gaurdians cannot use bows to take advantage of jewel that allows ranged weapons. If they could, maybe an item that makes animated weapons stronger with the drawback of only having animated weapons would be more interesting/viable.

How is this delusion again?


well your statement implies that you can use zero investment with poets pen, icestom whatever that item is, iron commander ETC and stomp the game..

minion builds have always been good league starters because they are extremely strong with ZERO investment, as they got a huge amount of power from ascendancy / gem levels / passive tree


also minions have literally been S tier FOREVER
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#37
Aug 4 2022 10:56am
Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ Aug 4 2022 09:48am)
well your statement implies that you can use zero investment with poets pen, icestom whatever that item is, iron commander ETC and stomp the game..

minion builds have always been good league starters because they are extremely strong with ZERO investment, as they got a huge amount of power from ascendancy / gem levels / passive tree


also minions have literally been S tier FOREVER


That statement simply imples stomping the game is possible with those items. At any level.

Chains of command especially does not have that level of scaleability in its current state, and most other minion items like it got nerfed this patch. Maybe maw of mischief can still do high% feared, but chains of command and soulwrest definitely cant.
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#38
Aug 4 2022 10:59am
Quote (caitlin @ Aug 4 2022 12:17pm)
The thing GGG trying to accomplish is a shift from gems/stats into items.
The +2 isnt gone its in the helmet and not depending anymore on doing labs. Which in my opinion is a good thing.
Skellies are strong builds and upcoming nerves will not change it. Only next season even more dependency on using cluster jewels.
Minions are not ruined at all. But again thats my opinion.


losing the +3 to socketed from helmet is pretty big for minion survivability and damage.
considering they are also lowering the level of summoned minions as well as lowering their life and damage
minion builds are hugely socket starved as well, to the point they almost have to have unset rings.
I think the big spit in the face was making the +2 node into unholy might.. which is only good for physical minions (which usually are going to be using brutality anyway)

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#39
Aug 4 2022 01:10pm
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#40
Aug 4 2022 01:12pm
Weird they do all this crap on summoners while it's only a tiny % of player base:

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds

But maybe more casual players are playing, or there's another, hidden, reason.
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