Quote (Snyft2 @ Jun 22 2020 05:25pm)

grim dawn is fun for a while, same as poe :blush: but gets boring for the same reason, no pvp :cry:

as for how its harder to break: less multiplication modifiers in grim dawn mean that you simply cant break the game no matter how hard you try :( and people have tried! but even if you go absolute full dmg (imported dmg items, pierce type, max cunning, max lvl, perfect conversion, some high single target skill like cadence/phant blades in point blank range etc), you simply cant kill the hardest bosses in 1-2 seconds like in poe :cry: which is actually something i LIKE about poe (rare i know :wacko: ). poe is extremely good on that part, meaning if you are good with theorycrafting and have mirror gear, you will massacre the living shit out of everything, and that is how it should be :blush: ! a perfectly made char SHOULD be able to do that. in poe you can see someone oneshot shaper, you can see someone afk kill uber elder, shit like that. a game NEEDS stuff like that because too much control constricts players and is not fun :cry: ! so that is actually a minus for gd at least in my book :( but yes, gd is harder to break and i know that because i am kinda a pro with gd :blush: !

Quote (Caulder10 @ Jun 23 2020 12:17am)

unless it massively changed with the 2nd expansion then you sure as shit can
kill everything for screens instantly without even moving, just stand in the middle of the crusade and everything dies, end boss of ashes goes through waves instantly etc

grim dawn was not as good as poe IMO, way more back and forth stupid pointless quests and much less game development. stupidly less content.
and for the price tag vs a free game there is no comparison. GD aint worth the price and every time they do any kind of update they slap another huge price on it.
even their mtx bundles aren't as good.
Crate isn't a horrible company but I probably would not bother with another of their games.

Quote (Snyft2 @ Jun 22 2020 07:09pm)

boss of ashes is the equivalent of act10 kitava in poe, he is a fucking pussy same as kitava :wacko: feel free to try to kill avatar of mogdrogen, ravager, callagadra or crate and you will see what pain means :cry: i once tried to see how fast i could kill avatar if i took full dmg route, so i froze health on like 15k in cheat engine. first of all, i died a lot of times even with that, and even when i managed i needed more than a minute on a FULL DAMAGE CHARACTER :wacko: and there are no phases and bullshit like in poe. those guys just stand there and tank everything you throw at them :wacko: so dont give me shit bosses, go for something that equivalents a map boss and tell me how it went :zzz:

as for quality, well yes poe is better, but poe has a much bigger budget :wacko: do you play without any investment? do you know anyone who does? i dont. and even if you do, my guess is not many people play that way. first of all because "free with mtx" is a business model that works, and it works because it preys on peoples narcissism and loss aversion and is free in theory, but not in practice. and second because poe isnt free even in theory, you will not enjoy the game if you dont spend money on it. have you tried playing without at least a few quad tabs, currency tab, map tab and essence tab? i have! it is not an enjoyable experience :cry:

Quote (Metalmouth @ Jun 22 2020 07:26pm)

Grim dawn is really good single player

Poe is basically single player too with trading

Don't be a jerk and steal friends items glhf :D

Quote (Caulder10 @ Jun 22 2020 06:19pm)

mogdroden that one you have to collect a bunch of shit for? killed him deathless (hc ofc) in a matter of seconds
was tougher though sure.
i blasted thru it and did 100%, dont really remember much about it other than it sucked and i just wanted it to be done
OCD about getting 100% worst part is I wont be buying the 2nds expansion so no longer will have 100% :(

majority of poe players can manage just fine with the 4 free tabs (if you believe their average player statistics) I have a very hard time believing them.
If you do get to the point you need the extra tabs its like $60 for every single tab you would need (and no you dont need quad tabs) - Currency, fragment, premium bundle, map is plenty for everything. If you get to the point you need those tabs you have already spent more time playing than their testers and more time than you can spend playing grim dawn for $70. So sure you can try to cry about it not being free at that point but really you get every bit of your moneys worth.

PoE has more access to resources now with tencent but before that they were much smaller than Crate and tencent's aquisition has not really added or changed anything in poe at this point.



actually grim dawn is probably better multiplayer than poe - had more fun carrying my friend through grim dawn than poe.
single player (other than being offline - which I don't get as I have about the worst internet in the world and dont want to play offline games) is way worse than poe

Quote (Caulder10 @ Jun 23 2020 03:19am)

mogdroden that one you have to collect a bunch of shit for? killed him deathless (hc ofc) in a matter of seconds
was tougher though sure.
i blasted thru it and did 100%, dont really remember much about it other than it sucked and i just wanted it to be done
OCD about getting 100% worst part is I wont be buying the 2nds expansion so no longer will have 100% :(

majority of poe players can manage just fine with the 4 free tabs (if you believe their average player statistics) I have a very hard time believing them.
If you do get to the point you need the extra tabs its like $60 for every single tab you would need (and no you dont need quad tabs) - Currency, fragment, premium bundle, map is plenty for everything. If you get to the point you need those tabs you have already spent more time playing than their testers and more time than you can spend playing grim dawn for $70. So sure you can try to cry about it not being free at that point but really you get every bit of your moneys worth.

PoE has more access to resources now with tencent but before that they were much smaller than Crate and tencent's aquisition has not really added or changed anything in poe at this point.

Quote (DHA @ Jun 23 2020 12:13am)

pvm = poe
pvp = stick to d2