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Jun 17 2012 07:11am
Quote (MeatStick101 @ Jun 17 2012 08:59am)
So basically what you guys want is for people who selected a missed cut player to have essentially no chance?



i dont think that but ill be honest when i signed up i pretty much figured that if you have a player miss the cut that you wouldnt really have a chance to be in the money but i never would have expected scores to be like this


imo you did it right course is just hard this year and if anybobdy thought that scores would be even close to this high they would have said something when they signed up like o this is a super hard score and winner of tourny might barley make under par
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Jun 17 2012 07:19am
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i dont think that but ill be honest when i signed up i pretty much figured that if you have a player miss the cut that you wouldnt really have a chance to be in the money but i never would have expected scores to be like this


imo you did it right course is just hard this year and if anybobdy thought that scores would be even close to this high they would have said something when they signed up like o this is a super hard score and winner of tourny might barley make under par


This is a one time thing, the scores will not be this high again. But basically, nobody with a missed cut has a realistic chance to win 1st.

Even with a MC though ozzy, you still are ahead of them, which is due more to the fact you have 1 player doing well rather than the MC penalty is too low.

I think what these guys want is to have anyone with a MC to have zero chance at anything.


What I can do for NEXT time is make MC penalty like +15 while the max penalty for anyone who made the cut +10.

So MC will be more at a disadvantage

This post was edited by MeatStick101 on Jun 17 2012 07:22am
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Jun 17 2012 07:45am
what happens if like last year you pick up Rory McIlroy who shoots a –16 even then mc wouldn't' auto eliminate you

either leave it alone or just be a dick about it if you have a player to miss cut you cant win or make it +100 only possible way

you did it right theres more people here from the hockey section than people who frequent the golf section
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Jun 17 2012 07:59am
Quote (ozzy486 @ 17 Jun 2012 08:45)
what happens if like last year you pick up Rory McIlroy who shoots a –16 even then mc wouldn't' auto eliminate you

either leave it alone or just be a dick about it if you have a player to miss cut you cant win or make it +100 only possible way

you did it right theres more people here from the hockey section than people who frequent the golf section


Section is a non factor here.

I'll increase MC penalty to +15 and leave max for players who made the cut at +10 for the next one i host. Unless someone recommends something more reasonable. This way MC players will be at a bigger disadvantage, but not completely out of the game.

But this is a 1 time thing, it won't happen again where many players are so high over par after the cut

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Section is a non factor here.

I'll increase MC penalty to +15 and leave max for players who made the cut at +10 for the next one i host. Unless someone recommends something more reasonable. This way MC players will be at a bigger disadvantage, but not completely out of the game.

But this is a 1 time thing, it won't happen again where many players are so high over par after the cut


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Jun 17 2012 10:56am
The miss cut penalty should be relative to the scores. Which will always very from tournament to tournament because the course and difficulty will always vary. Sometimes it's an easy course, sometimes it's a very hard course.

There should not be a max penalty. The penalty should be relative to the scores to make it fair and avoid problems like this where people getting cut are getting a BETTER score than what they really shot.

Changing the MC penalty to 15 is not fixing the problem, it's masking it in another form of the same type.

Take a players score who misses the cut, in this case Rory missed the cut shooting a +10, and add a 5 stroke penalty (or 10?), so Rory's score for this challenge is +15.
Vijay shot +13, plus a +5 MC penalty, Vijay's score would be +18
Luke Donald shot +11, plus a +5 MC penalty, Luke's score is +16

Lets say at a different tournament the cut line is +2. And I'll hypothetically use the same people above.
Rory missed the cut shooting a +4, and add a 5 stroke penalty, so Rory's score for this challenge is +9
Vijay shot +6, plus a +5 MC penalty, Vijay's score would be +11
Luke Donald shot +5, plus a +5 MC penalty, Luke's score is +10

The missed cut penalty should not be a solid stroke number everyone shares. It should be a number added to the scores that a person shoots. This way there will never be a scenario where a person will be given a better score for missing the cut (like there is now). Also, by adding to the score of those who missed the cut, the MC penalty and final score is relative to the tournament scores and the field.

Now in the case that someone makes the cut and ends up bombing the final 2 days... well then that's their score. If Tiger woods makes the cut shooting even where the cut line is +2. And on the final two days he shoots +5 and +8. And he ends with a score of +13, then so be it, that's what he shot, that is what he earned. There is no need to sugar coat a player for playing terrible just because he made the cut. If you play terrible you should be accounted for that. Even though it's a higher score than those who missed the cut,it shouldn't matter now. Those who missed they cut got penalized already. If you want to increase the +5 to +10 for those who missed than go for it, but if someone bombs the last 2 days after making the cut, that must not be sugar coated, and it must be reflected on the scores. There should be no max for those who do make the cut. You play bad, you score bad. That's golf.

That's how I would do it to avoid problems and to make it fair. Pretty simple. Someone can complain that there person that made the cut got a worse score than a person who missed the cut, but if your player plays that terrible, than you should have a worse score. I mean seriously, why would someone be rewarded for playing horrible? If you play horrible you should score horrible.

This post was edited by MrMoJoRising on Jun 17 2012 11:11am
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Jun 17 2012 12:10pm
Quote (MeatStick101 @ Jun 17 2012 06:59am)
Section is a non factor here.

I'll increase MC penalty to +15 and leave max for players who made the cut at +10 for the next one i host. Unless someone recommends something more reasonable. This way MC players will be at a bigger disadvantage, but not completely out of the game.

But this is a 1 time thing, it won't happen again where many players are so high over par after the cut


your right, this is typically the hardest major. The British can get wicked if the winds pick up, but usually not super high scores like this
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Jun 17 2012 04:33pm
Skimmed through Mojo's post. Not sure I understood it lmk what you guys think
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Jun 17 2012 04:58pm
Quote (MeatStick101 @ Jun 17 2012 05:33pm)
Skimmed through Mojo's post. Not sure I understood it lmk what you guys think


seems like a fair idea
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Jun 17 2012 08:28pm
1)Kazium:= +27
Tiger Woods - +7
Charl schwartzel - +10
Bill Haas - +10 MC

2)Unknows:= +30
Rory McIlroy - +10 MC
Jason Day - +10 SL
Bo Van Pelt - +10 SL

3)Welch:= +23
Zach Johnson - +10 SL
Stewart Cink - +10 MC
David Toms - +3

4)MeatStick101:= +30
Phil Mickelson - +10 SL
Dustin Johnson - +10 MC
Geoff Ogilvy - +10 MC

5)Twax:= +29
Bubba Watson - +10 MC
Sergio Garcia - +10
Robert Karlsson - +9

6)Ozzy486:= +19
Adam Scott - +6
Jim Furyk - +3
Vijay Singh - +10 MC

7)MisterFurious:= 13
Lee Westwood - +5
Steve Stricker - +6
Graeme Mcdowell - +2

8)Kinkies2:= +30
Luke Donald - +10 MC
Keegan Bradley - +10 SL
Louis Oosthuizen - +10 MC

9)MrMoJoRising:= +27
Hunter Mahan - +10
Justin Rose - +7
Ian Poulter - +10 SL

10)H4bs:= +21
Matt Kuchar - +8
Nick Watney - +7
K J Choi - +6

11)Gokuelway:= +19
Jason Dufner - +3
Ricky Fowler - +10 SL
Martin Kaymer - +6
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