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Aug 16 2011 02:23pm
I need to find a tutorial or a course from where i could improve my english skills and also learn more words and phrases.
Does anyone knows such a course or program that might help me?
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Aug 16 2011 02:24pm
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Aug 16 2011 02:26pm
Talk to people from England/USA over vent, watch different movies etc. without subtitles
that should be a somewhat a good way to improve
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Aug 16 2011 02:26pm
Move to Canada, we pay for people to learn English.
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Talk to people from England/USA over vent


avoid British people though

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Aug 16 2011 02:29pm
Firstly, I'd advise avoiding forums and games as a method of improving English; very, very few people spell or punctuate correctly. You're best looking for online courses as a main resource, and asking native speakers on English learning forums (I say again, not sites like JSP) if you're ever confused about something.
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Aug 16 2011 02:33pm
Quote (Razzattack @ Aug 16 2011 11:29pm)
Firstly, I'd advise avoiding forums and games as a method of improving English; very, very few people spell or punctuate correctly. You're best looking for online courses as a main resource, and asking native speakers on English learning forums (I say again, not sites like JSP) if you're ever confused about something.


I'm thinking to start with Internet Polyglot and see if it helps me.
In my opinion i speak english over medium to better, but i still dont know many common words and i want to learn more in near future.
Thanks for advices.
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Aug 16 2011 02:35pm
Quote (Razzattack @ Aug 16 2011 01:29pm)
Firstly, I'd advise avoiding forums and games as a method of improving English; very, very few people spell or punctuate correctly. You're best looking for online courses as a main resource, and asking native speakers on English learning forums (I say again, not sites like JSP) if you're ever confused about something.

I somewhat disagree with this.
Yes if you want to learn proper English then professional help is the way to go, but if you just want to converse with people, then you can learn just about all you need by chatting as much as possible in any setting.
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Aug 16 2011 02:45pm
Rosetta stone works really well

I've used it to learn enough Arabic, Korean to hold conversations in the past
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Aug 16 2011 02:50pm
Quote (qwq @ Aug 16 2011 09:33pm)
I'm thinking to start with Internet Polyglot and see if it helps me.
In my opinion i speak english over medium to better, but i still dont know many common words and i want to learn more in near future.
Thanks for advices.


You should try that if you'll be able to meet people speaking proper English.

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I somewhat disagree with this.
Yes if you want to learn proper English then professional help is the way to go, but if you just want to converse with people, then you can learn just about all you need by chatting as much as possible in any setting.


Informal language and spelling should only be introduced much later, when one can recognise that that what they are reading actually is non standard because they already know the standard form, otherwise a non-native speaker can easily be confused and will end up commiting faux pas in real life. Social etiquette doesn't exist in the same form, therefore what's to stop a non-native speaker from thinking words like 'shit' and 'fuck' are alright in every situation?

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Rosetta stone works really well

I've used it to learn enough Arabic, Korean to hold conversations in the past


Rosetta stone gets you into very bad habits if you plan on seriously learning a language. It doesn't teach practical language, but rather abstract concepts and phrases. This is a bad idea. You should know how a sentence is formed by being able to combine the words, rather than understanding things as phrases (otherwise your language skills are rigid and require specific concepts to be applied; you can't react to the situation as you'll only know phrases).

The best things to focus on are grammar constructions and learning new words to apply to those constructions. For example, learn how to say 'I would like to' and then applying different verbs to that like 'swim' or 'eat'. This way your language is malleable; it can adapt to express anything you would like to do as long as you know the verb. If you only know how to say 'I would like to eat' as a set phrase, you can't apply it to any other situation and your language is rigid.

This post was edited by Razzattack on Aug 16 2011 03:00pm
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