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May 29 2026 11:56am
I just got a ROTW latent flame rift off the summoner but I'm unable to upgrade it with
- p ruby
- io rune
- Deep WSS

any idea why??
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May 29 2026 03:26pm
Are you sure your Sunder Charm is a Latent one? The older Sunder Charms don't upgrade to Renewed at all.

Watch this video and check if your Sunder Charm is actually a Latent Sunder. The old ones can't be upgraded to Renewed:

https://youtu.be/qJezSx5MAlk?t=56

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May 29 2026 03:40pm
what even is that item? never saw it in d2lod,must be new
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May 29 2026 03:46pm
Sunder Charms were introduced in September/October 2022 (Patch 2.5 / Ladder Season 2). Blizzard added Sunder Charms alongside Terror Zones. This was the first time in Diablo II history that these charms existed.

The original Sunders were:

Flame Rift
Crack of the Heavens
Cold Rupture
Rotting Fissure
Bone Break
Black Cleft

They broke monster immunities by reducing the monster's resistance to 95%, but they also applied a resistance penalty to the player.

As for Latent Sunder Charms:

Latent Sunders are much more recent and are not part of vanilla D2R. They were introduced in Diablo II: Resurrected – Reign of the Warlock (RotW), where the Sunder system was redesigned into a new progression system:

Latent Sunder → Renewed Sunder

Latent Sunders act as a base version that can be upgraded into Renewed Sunders using Horadric Cube recipes. Additionally, the old Sunders no longer drop in RotW and cannot be converted into Renewed Sunders.
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May 29 2026 07:16pm
what even is that item? never saw it in d2lod,must be new


im still scratching my head
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May 30 2026 05:15am
It's because you already got a sunder in your inv. Put your own in shared stash and you will be able to do it.
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May 30 2026 07:46am
The Renewed Sunder Charm works like a Gheed's. If you already have one in your inventory or personal stash, that's probably what's preventing the Horadric Cube recipe from working.
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May 30 2026 08:40am
You can have any number of LOD or latent sunder charms, but you can only have one renewed sunder charm at a time.
The one-per-char restriction applies to annihilus, hellfire torch, renewed sunders and uber ancient jewels
You can't take any actions that would make another one active, like equipping a second item with an uber jewel in it, or picking up a 2nd annihilus, or upgrading a latent sunder when you already have a renewed one.
The one-per-char restriction is separate for your mercenary who can equip an uber jewel of his own in addition to yours
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