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Apr 25 2026 03:43pm
Is it reminiscent of Iron Maiden cs runs back in the day? Or not as bad?
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Apr 25 2026 04:12pm
Thorns return an integer damage now and not a percentage of the damage taken. You can kill a herald with life tap no problems.
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IDK but i was one shotted today

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Apr 25 2026 04:26pm
Supposedly tz96 thorns on heralds should be 9% reflection (monthorns, with % reflected = slvl, and aura = [monlvl/10]), at least that's the only dataminer post I saw about it. Or maybe its 1+slvl and 10%.

If you're getting a monster to -50% dr from amp and hitting with 10000 phys at 2 fpa with whirlwind, you'd be reflecting about 17k phys per second and should easily kill a 7k hp 50% dr barb in one second of ww
% leech as an offset isn't reliable because too many monsters have 0% drain effectiveness like skeletons. Lifetap works, they'd have 50% dr and you'd deal 1/3 the dps and not die from thorns at all, unless it wears off or gets overwritten then whoops you're dead instantly
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Apr 25 2026 04:27pm
p8 heralds...honestly the thorns damage is the least of your worries if you have good leech
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Apr 25 2026 04:29pm
IDK but i was one shotted today

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its ok you deserved it
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Apr 25 2026 04:33pm
p8 heralds...honestly the thorns damage is the least of your worries if you have good leech


>drain effectiveness: 0

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IDK but i was one shotted today

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why did you censor the name of your bo barb?
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Apr 25 2026 04:42pm
Not as bad as iron maiden but still annoying
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Apr 25 2026 05:01pm
IDK but i was one shotted today

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Needed a necro in that team line up for some effective cursing.
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