I think the main point of running a FoH-din at all is to save your brain from damage. While theoretically a pure Hammerdin has slightly better damage from hammers, I don't know many people who really enjoy the play style.

FoH provides a much needed diversity to the build, with GG FoH damage and only slightly worse hammers.

No one said anything about killing every single monster in the zone. If I'm running TZs to level I want to be able to kill all of the elites/champs. It's not a hard concept.

But a combination of Medi / Cure and Prayer does alleviate the the leech stress doesn't it ?

What about Simple stuff

COT Cham'ed / Pride and Forti ? GT Base

Or the classic Andys 15/30 Forti / Cryptic / GPA axe without cure ? I think Medi plus Prayer on merc without cure still gives decent life return.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 13 2024 08:17am

Scepter has 10fcr max
Also read some of my previous post, I explained why 86fcr is the ideal setup as long as you maximize your cast by alternating 1foh then 1hammer
125fcr would be worth if you tele a lot, but it only gives you 1 less frame per tele -> while traveling only

While fighting :

Foh has 10frames delay, so you can only cast one spell during that.
So you do not get faster total cast time at 125fcr compared to 86fcr for any situation where you cast foh and then either hammer or tele.

At 86fcr : foh + hammer/tele = 16frames
At 125fcr : foh + hammer/tele = also 16frames
At 75fcr you lost 1 frame from foh’s 86bp, but still have time to cast 1 hammer/tele, so you cast both at 17frames rate

This post was edited by SinsOfTheSun on Mar 13 2024 08:18am

it will definitely alleviate the concern on lower player counts. i don't know that it will keep up with the burst damage of running p8, though.

Fair opinion, but i guess if you don't like hammer playstyle why would you even play hammer at all though?

This post was edited by jackherer on Mar 13 2024 08:17am

My bad, I am slowly reading through the thread, I am having a rather bad work week , so I tend to skim through .

This. I recomend defiance or maybe holy freeze to help deal with physical burst. Defiance + frozen armor proc on fort gives merc a massive amount of defense.

Will be limit testing his survivability a bit today so I’ll update

I agree, Spectral hit, extra strong , fanaticism and a combination of another creep with might = bye bye

Because blessed hammer is an undeniably OP skill. It's about getting the best of both worlds - FOH is awesome in some circumstances, hammers are better in other circumstances. We have enough skill points to have both, so why not?