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Nov 7 2021 10:48am
Quote (HuntingTreasure @ Nov 7 2021 11:47am)
the fuck did you nerds do during beta? did no one test ias during better? no one thought to slap a bunch of sheals on a character?



Beta was limited to act 1 and 2 in normal
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Nov 7 2021 10:56am
Quote (brandonb00zed @ Nov 7 2021 06:00am)
No he's specifically said numerous times that he was one of the only people who wanted to keep it turn based until his entire development team outvoted him. It's 100% true straight from his mouth.

And no the turn based stuff not not "him testing stuff during combat" it was to be the foundation of gameplay. He and the other creators have said this openly many times. It won't be hard to find.


i thought I read he advocated for turn based but once he saw the action elements in..... action he was sold.

it "clicked" for him and a light bulb appeared over his head.

incidentally, this is how WoW questing was born

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Quote (Pseudofate_D2R @ Nov 7 2021 09:56am)
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it "clicked" for him and a light bulb appeared over his head.


Yes!! I remember him saying that too

This post was edited by ChocolateCoveredGummyBears on Nov 7 2021 10:58am
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Nov 7 2021 11:11am
Quote (brandonb00zed @ Nov 6 2021 12:38pm)
Yeah everyone wants to dick ride the guy who if he got his way, wouldve made D2 a turn based piece of shit


Actually they were making d2 xpansion and d3 more mmorpg style also a marvel mmorpg with d2 itemization system. Blizz north also helped with the wc3 engine and laid ground work for WoW.

It's why all the games went to shit after 2003/2004 cuz that's when blizz north left cuz vivendi was on bullshit and taking over control eliminating company titles and now look. Blizz has no president or anything no real titles or control so no one can steer the company any where but to max profits. And they never even needed more profits they were already the most profitable by far in everything they did.
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Actually they were making d2 xpansion and d3 more mmorpg style also a marvel mmorpg with d2 itemization system. Blizz north also helped with the wc3 engine and laid ground work for WoW.

It's why all the games went to shit after 2003/2004 cuz that's when blizz north left cuz vivendi was on bullshit and taking over control eliminating company titles and now look. Blizz has no president or anything no real titles or control so no one can steer the company any where but to max profits. And they never even needed more profits they were already the most profitable by far in everything they did.


Also the turn based thing was in early development of the game, that shit was dropped after the team made a decision. They then started developing the marvel game and another d2 xpac as well as d3. You can read about it in their book. Blame vivendi and EA for fucking all games for ever.
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Quote (uyyu @ Nov 6 2021 06:12pm)
I definitely hit a faster breakpoint on zerk after charging frenzy so it isnt an insane amount of ias needed


Just did some ghetto testing on bnet with phase blade + berserk on a barb

According to current calculators a 40 ias grief pb + any source of ias gives you max attack speed, or at least that's how I understand it. Even a 30 ias grief + a 15 ias jewel hits 9 frames

I normally run with at least highlords, so I figured I was well beyond the cap. Maybe this is common knowledge and I'm an idiot, but:

40 ias pb + 40 ias from gear = no increase
40 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = yes

37 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = no increase
37 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = yes

30 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = no increase
30 ias pb + 55 ias from gear = yes

So somewhere between 82-85 weapon + gear ias the animation at least is faster, and it appeared to kill things faster, but I didn't do any maths or record and go frame by frame or anything. Is this just the attack frame going from 5 to 4?
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Nov 7 2021 01:16pm
only ruins pvp right? good, im not even bothering with pvp in d2r.
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Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Nov 7 2021 10:27am)
I specifically remember him saying it was a good decision to keep it action based.

Do you have a citation / video link?


I think you're confused. Im talking about how he tried to sabotage the change to real time combat. It wouldnt be relevant that he said it was a good decision... He said it was a good decision way after he fought to keep turn based and LOST the vote to his development team, told Blizzard Irivne he didnt want to do it, and only after it was implemented to the game against his opinion did he ever say it was good.

How he felt with the end result isnt relevant since he had nothing to do with that change but rather did everything he could to prevent it from happening until he waa outvoted. It was Blizzard Irvines idea and his team loved it and took a vote and he didnt want to.This is the only information that is relevant when talking about how his ideas were a lot of the stupid ones that got outvoted.

Literally any interview where he discusses the development of diablo he will definitely say this. Theres a video called the post mortem diablo 2 or something where he goes into detail.

Quote (Pseudofate_D2R @ Nov 7 2021 10:56am)
i thought I read he advocated for turn based but once he saw the action elements in..... action he was sold.

it "clicked" for him and a light bulb appeared over his head.

incidentally, this is how WoW questing was born


Exactly. This is why he is the last person on the D2 dev team that deserves any recognition for the game being good. He was the one who opposed a lot of the good ideas and he's lucky his dev team had much better ideas than him of what to add to the game, including even the person who wrote the soundtrack. If Brevik got his way we would never have gotten our first ARPG.


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Quote (brandonb00zed @ Nov 7 2021 01:37pm)
I think you're confused. Im talking about how he tried to sabotage the change to real time combat. It wouldnt be relevant that he said it was a good decision... He said it was a good decision way after he fought to keep turn based and LOST the vote to his development team, told Blizzard Irivne he didnt want to do it, and only after it was implemented to the game against his opinion did he ever say it was good.

How he felt with the end result isnt relevant since he had nothing to do with that change but rather did everything he could to prevent it from happening until he waa outvoted. It was Blizzard Irvines idea and his team loved it and took a vote and he didnt want to.This is the only information that is relevant when talking about how his ideas were a lot of the stupid ones that got outvoted.

Literally any interview where he discusses the development of diablo he will definitely say this. Theres a video called the post mortem diablo 2 or something where he goes into detail.


AFAIK he initially made it turn based, but then tested out action based and then it all "clicked" for him. It was much better, and he and the team stuck with it. During his GDC talk, he mentioned something about hitting the skeleton

And I've watched about every interview he has done so..

This post was edited by ChocolateCoveredGummyBears on Nov 7 2021 04:01pm
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Quote (Pwnzor @ Nov 7 2021 02:16pm)
only ruins pvp right? good, im not even bothering with pvp in d2r.


Doesn't necessarily ruin it, it just changes the meta.
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