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Aug 16 2021 10:00pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ Aug 16 2021 10:59pm)
Yeah those are mirror matches. Completely different story when people have generally equal statistics & capabilities around the board.

When you're talking playing something like a Bowazon vs. a Trapper, it will literally be impossible to beat the Trapper without WSG.
I'm not joking around about this. It will be impossible. It won't matter how much FHR you have.

When you're talking all-class vs. all-class, there are lame ass ways that some classes can gank kill the shit out of certain other classes in such a fashion that it cannot be countered.
The only reason we could play around that effect and actually have good GM matches, was because of WSG bypassing these kind of hard counters.
Without WSG the game's pvp is going to be ruined. No one wants to go out and die in 10s and then respawn and die again in 10s from a single name lock or two.
That's just not fun regardless of if you are the one winning or losing. There isn't time to get a real match out of that. That's just boring and bad dynamic for any game's pvp to be designed that way.


some people lose the duel before they even step out into the moor, methinks

others, before they even sign online
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Aug 16 2021 10:00pm
Needed to be fixrd or else we will see nothing but trappers
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Aug 16 2021 10:08pm
Quote (Gilgameshed @ Aug 17 2021 12:00am)
some people lose the duel before they even step out into the moor, methinks

others, before they even sign online


Yeah yeah.

What I'm talking about is actual good players against good players who have perfect or near perfect gear setups and proper builds.

Back during the last time I was playing avidly before going off to stream GW2 for awhile, I used to have really good elongated duels against Bui's sin builds.
Now in D2r, you'd die in like 6s if he got a name lock on you and you couldn't WSG. That's lame man.
During old East NL ZvZ ladder, which I used moderate for years and years, the duels were elongated and epic.
But now? Whoever catches the first good GA lock is going to dominate the match right away. That's not fun man.
During any pvp ladder when you contest rank 1 through 3, the duels are usually very long and epic in general.
But now? Nah, you'll get trashed from a good lock up, no recovering from it.
And as LoftyEs brought up 4v4, it'll be THE WORST in 4v4. This will do so much to ruin 4v4 play.
Now in 4v4, people will get GANKED so hard without WSG. All you'll need is one mind blaster and then your other 3 do coordinated burst on the guy who's stunned = get fucked instantly.
That's not fun man.

I wanted a D2 remaster, not a D2 overhaul.

This post was edited by TSBoyer on Aug 16 2021 10:10pm
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Quote (kingmaker @ 16 Aug 2021 19:31)
I just hope they dont fix the Glitch rush lol


"Glitch" rush isn't a glitch at all. It's in the patch notes lol
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Quote (Kaylin @ Aug 16 2021 09:08pm)
"Glitch" rush isn't a glitch at all. It's in the patch notes lol


Ancients quest has a level requirement. If baal quest had the same lvl req then grush is dead.
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Quote (loftyEs @ Aug 16 2021 10:55pm)
I've been playing since like 03 lol


I talked to Mr llama briefly on twitch and he's aware WSG is broken and I believe he plans on mentioning it when he talks to the devs next

This post was edited by StoneJackBaller on Aug 16 2021 10:10pm
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Quote (StoneJackBaller @ Aug 17 2021 12:10am)
I talked to Mr llama briefly on twitch and he's aware it's broken and I believe he plans on mentioning it when he talks to the devs next


That's really great to hear.
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Aug 16 2021 10:14pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ Aug 16 2021 11:08pm)
Yeah yeah.

What I'm talking about is actual good players against good players who have perfect or near perfect gear setups and proper builds.

Back during the last time I was playing avidly before going off to stream GW2 for awhile, I used to have really good elongated duels against Bui's sin builds.
Now in D2r, you'd die in like 6s if he got a name lock on you and you couldn't WSG. That's lame man.
During old East NL ZvZ ladder, which I used moderate for years and years, the duels were elongated and epic.
But now? Whoever catches the first good GA lock is going to dominate the match right away. That's not fun man.
During any pvp ladder when you contest rank 1 through 3, the duels are usually very long and epic in general.
But now? Nah, you'll get trashed from a good lock up, no recovering from it.
And as LoftyEs brought up 4v4, it'll be THE WORST in 4v4. This will do so much to ruin 4v4 play.
Now in 4v4, people will get GANKED so hard without WSG. All you'll need is one mind blaster and then your other 3 do coordinated burst on the guy who's stunned = get fucked instantly.
That's not fun man. This will ruin tpvp.


bro calm your tits I literally did 4v4s, private league games, and clan wars all of patch 1.10 and up. wsg wasn't even a part of my or any other dueler's vocabulary at that time. I didn't learn about it until I had come back. Those years were arguably the prime years of d2, which directly led to private realms like d2pk, and private rulesets like fpk. We built the current meta, designed the top builds, and not once did we ever collectively decide to say "this game sucks, fhr is broken, I quit". That is your philosophy, not ours. And I am sorry to say this so bluntly, but there are a lot more of us than there are of you. More people have quit d2 then currently play. In many ways, you all are guests in our home. Don't forget that.
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Aug 16 2021 10:18pm
Without wsg we will see nothing but trappers. Seriously.
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Aug 16 2021 10:19pm
Quote (loftyEs @ Aug 16 2021 11:10pm)
That's really great to hear.


I'll ask him about it again next weekend as well
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