Thinking about it more, whether or not this change applies to Cold Mastery, it makes cold sunder wildly better than the others.

If they nerf CM just like they nerf LR/conviction, at least you can dump points into cold master to make it toss -225%+ res at monsters. So cold will pierce harder on skill points alone.

And of course if CM is exempted from this nerf, then cold sorc = GG no re lol

Edit: if the nerf applies to CM, doom runeword is gonna start looking real nice

This post was edited by coelomate1970 on Oct 3 2022 02:23pm

Someone actually thought fire builds deserved a nerf but cold sorcs should be untouched?
dafaq?

I mean, fire builds will still be playable with mass facets, which was already BiS for fire druids, but it really hurts for fire sorcs for generalized pvm, and negate any usefulness it had on poison necros, and magic/phys sunder remains totally useless
hell, I believe they actually greatly nerfed the already worst sunder charm, since amp/decrep should be applying at 1/5 effectiveness against phys immune monsters after sunder now. So instead of dealing 5/55/105% with decrep/amp, now you'll deal 5/15/25%. And thus the sunder only brought you up from the current 0/10/20% if they were exactly 100% DR, which is the case for many phys immunes (stone skin + 50% base)

jesus that's awful

The charms are still going to sit in most people's stashes and not be used anyways, so nerfing them makes sense.

Assuming CM actually isn't nerfed like LR and Conviction:

Before: Everyone roll a nova sorc!

After: everyone roll a frost nova sorc!

Also the -player resist is reeeealllllyyyy hard to justify on those charms for many builds now.

RIP sunder poison necro. Is it even worth it for fire druid with infinity anymore, like you already had some physical punching through?

RIP tickling monsters with sunder fire/cold arrow zon.

Damn I hate this change, there were so many cool builds to think about that are just not interesting anymore.

Yeah the charms aren't suppose to be good or anything.

If infinity just lowers the res of the immune monster to zero after the charm applies, then the charms might actually be good, which wasn't the intention.

The charms are just suppose to be something to help players who like to solo level 85 areas or do terrorzones solo.

In group games you're just going to use 3x skillers instead of the charms anyways since everything dies instantly with a decent group.

I mean the players who haven't gotten the memo yet that cold sorcs are straight up garbage for end game PVM will be happy with today's update.

CM isn't the issue, math is hard for some people apparently.

You got me confused at

Yes, without the charm everything is the same. But the charm changes a lot, as you calculated yourself.

Fire build with only infinity/sunder for -resists just went from dealing 90% -> 22% damage (10% vs 78% resists), effectively 3/4 of their damage lost vs immunes
Fire build with infinity/sunder and a 30/30 facet sword, 20/20 facet shield and flickering flame went from dealing 155% -> 113%, which should still be capable of killing immunes but you are losing nearly 1/3 of your dps against them

Those -resi are easy to encounter and every single build that currently works will work even better with sunders, so it’s a unnecessary buff in a easy game… idk what you talk about „rip“