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Jan 25 2022 07:50pm
Quote (Koston @ Jan 25 2022 06:46pm)
To be clear, wolf druids are now unplayable, whether you are using a Grief or not. They have completely killed the entire shapeshifting skill tree, it's not a joke, lol


Quote (oscarmk @ Jan 25 2022 06:43pm)
Can’t hit 9 frames with these changes 😂


Would you be willing to elaborate for a weedied weeder?
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Jan 25 2022 08:04pm
Quote (PkStart @ Jan 25 2022 05:50pm)
Would you be willing to elaborate for a weedied weeder?


Wolf druids are now being forced to follow the human druid's IAS table, which is extremely slow.
As in, wolf druids can swing about as fast a human druid, and if you have been playing this game for a while, you know that it is extremely slow
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Jan 25 2022 08:18pm
Quote (Koston @ Jan 25 2022 08:04pm)
Wolf druids are now being forced to follow the human druid's IAS table, which is extremely slow.
As in, wolf druids can swing about as fast a human druid, and if you have been playing this game for a while, you know that it is extremely slow


To put numbers to it:

Human druid attack frames:
BXW: 20
1HS: 19
2HS: 21
1HT: 19
2HT: 23
H2H: 16
BOW: 16
STF: 17

druid attack frames:
A1: 13
S3: 10
S4: 7

its hilarious how slow druids attack now
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Jan 25 2022 08:19pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 25 2022 06:18pm)
To put numbers to it:

Human druid attack frames:
BXW: 20
1HS: 19
2HS: 21
1HT: 19
2HT: 23
H2H: 16
BOW: 16
STF: 17

druid attack frames:
A1: 13
S3: 10
S4: 7

its hilarious how slow druids attack now


thanks
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Jan 25 2022 09:17pm
Quote (wendell @ Jan 25 2022 07:21pm)
sounds like big dawg mr lamma is talkin about it on his stream so we should be good


Can we clip it to make it easier for blizz to see?
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Jan 25 2022 09:20pm
Quote (Brandoloni @ Jan 25 2022 07:17pm)
Can we clip it to make it easier for blizz to see?


Also curious about what exactly he said about it
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Jan 25 2022 09:26pm
Quote (Koston @ Jan 25 2022 09:20pm)
Also curious about what exactly he said about it


Love it or hate it someone like him complaining would amplify the issue and hopefully force a response by blizz - who would've seen the druid getting nerfed with everything else in this patch
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Jan 26 2022 01:08am
Stuff like this should be no brainer that can’t stay. Either revert to old ways or actually find a way to use off gear ias cause there are points where off gear ias and wolf skill ias becomes Ineffective. If such change stays then I’d lower my expectations for future patches.

Just like the whirlwind issue but werewolf is easier to fix since it just follows a formula.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Jan 26 2022 01:10am
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Jan 26 2022 01:31am
hopefully we find out in the next couple days if it will be changed. I'm not doing another baal run if the nerfs are staying.
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Jan 26 2022 03:21am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 26 2022 03:18am)
To put numbers to it:

Human druid attack frames:
BXW: 20
1HS: 19
2HS: 21
1HT: 19
2HT: 23
H2H: 16
BOW: 16
STF: 17

druid attack frames:
A1: 13
S3: 10
S4: 7

its hilarious how slow druids attack now


Assuming they use regular ias formula now we can check with tomb reaver:
90ias tombreaver + 50 off wep ias = 140ias, 10wsm. Lets assume 75sias from werewolf skill.

EIAS = Floor(120*ias/(120+ias)-wsm+sias
Eias = 129... But adding any ias wont help any.. Cause its capped at 75....
So werewolf skill add 75, wsm removed 10... So u have 10eias left to boost with ias...
IAS needed to reach EIAS breakpoint = ceiling((120*(EIAS- SIAS + WSM))/(120-(EIAS - SIAS +WSM)))

This gives 11...
11 ias in total is all you need to max out ur speed... So using an eth death cryptic axe + highlord and ur at max ias.

Ceiling(17*256/(256*(100+75)/100)) = 10 frames...

So u can max reach 10 frames attack on a wolf if understand correct and now every form of ias is useless more or less.

So bow is slight faster:
Ceilinf(16*256/(256*(100+75)/100)) = 10 frames as well..

So yepp, useless...

Keep the old shaper formulas, modify eias/speedincrease cap to 200 and shapers are fine... If they are really annoyed by the fact assa bear can then reach 1 frame on a 24frame rated breakpoint system, which will render the attack to fast for the breakpoint system, then they can just choose eias cap of 199 and assa wont get that problem/bug...

This post was edited by gel87 on Jan 26 2022 03:24am
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