No, i'm not.
I'm telling you that bots eliminate scarcity, meaning prices reach different conclusions because hard to find items that are in demand are rapidly put into supply than they otherwise would be in a legitimate economy meaning the mf grind for stupid pvm newbs becomes pointless because its all available in two weeks or less and can be bought for a few cents when it would otherwise require weeks of doing grinding and that gear would be worth way more than if those people didn't have a massive influx of botted items putting price pressure downward for literally everything except the stupid pvpers godly rares. People die less when 10 people can buy a stormshield day 3 when in a legit economy there's only one available. People pay more for that one stormshield, especially when they realize they can't buy what they want since the item is actually a rare drop(not rare when you have 50 bots per actual player looking for the item). That's just a concrete example of what happened pre season hcl and those prices carried forward until mid season 2.

Games better with more people playing it, botting pushes them away since theirs no point for them to do their noob gear grind. Mosaic is busted and everyone would be complaining if they made a character whose skills 1 shot everything without any items at all and it would absolutely alter the pvm experience. Two guls two mals and two amns are closer to a naked character than it is to any other end game build.

This post was edited by FORt-HOBO on Jan 29 2024 01:08pm

Then complain to blizzard about removing runewords and making the game harder so more people die on hardcore.

Botters are not the one affecting your pvm experience.

They are.
They alter prices equilibriums, and they in the same way hang over the game's trajectory in the same way that losers using trigs in hardcore dueling scare off legit duelers - not because they KNOW their in the game with a hacker, but because the realistic possibility of it means dueling just isn't worth it. You can keep denying it, but its just not true. legit economy is entirely different, and all the pvm newbs have a reason to play.

At the end of the day, rampant cheating devalues the time of the people playing it, and they will eventually quit. Self-serving botter justifications are just part of the problem especially when they're obviously hollow. You're not fooling anyone.

This post was edited by FORt-HOBO on Jan 29 2024 01:12pm

Complaining about cheating, not prices.

I also complain mnk users on console fps games and if someone is trying to cheat on poker game.

Botters help the game and made d2r possible.

Botters do not affect your pvm experience. You are complaining about your ability to sell pvm items in a game where pvm is brain dead easy. If you want your pvm items to hold value or go up in value, tell blizzqrd to make the game harder. They have continued to make the game easier and easier. And it’s already easier.

100%

Game is better without bots and there is a reason why it was an amazing experience for everyone in pre season + Season 1. Game had a very sizable population up until botting became rampant and no real bans in effect to get it under control. Botters keep telling people they saved d2, but really they just saved it for themselves.

Anything blizzard has done has paled in comparison to what bots due to this game and continue to do to it. Mosaic is the closest thing they could do outside of making a character that could 1 shot everything with literally no gear in terms of decreasing scarcity with outsized power changes.

How do you convince players to come waste their time for hard to find items when they know that for every legit player out there there are like 100 bots running finding items at a rate they cannot possibly compete with. Would you, seriously, spend days or weeks of your life playing a game without any cheats against people who are obviously cheating and have an astronomical advantage compared to you? Maybe you'd try to kill the stupid hcl dueling noob who is relying chicken a few times, but would you spend months trying to fight this person and eventually kill them(assuming this wasn't a personal quest for revenge or something like it), all the time while dying and losing just about everything? No. and people don't generally want to play a game under terms like that, there is no point unless you're a masochist or deliberately ignore all of that. Your time is devalued by botters since the prices are different in a legit economy. The only time you(maybe?) benefit is if you find one of those fucking lottery ticket items that every botter is searching for

This post was edited by FORt-HOBO on Jan 29 2024 01:21pm

To make things simpler, let’s look at a ladder reset:

A] No bots = takes longer to find or trade for shako
B] Bots = less time to find or trade for shako

They accelerate the power creep in a way that would be less natural than if they didn’t exist. Therefore a change has been made to the usual trajectory of a ladder reset because more gear is more readily accessible. Doesn’t matter what the cost ratio is, they are adding more supply into the market and altering the original experience. Whether you like it or not, this is a clear change in the experience for PvMers.

This is a simple conclusion to draw homie.

This post was edited by TheScottosaur on Jan 29 2024 01:21pm

already tried, he just ignored stormshield lol. shako is an even better example since mf is just a better increase for softcore newbs and they understand it and for them dying is an inconvenience.

None of what has been said is controversial outside of the people who have a vested interest in cheating for their own benefit and can't get out of denial

This post was edited by FORt-HOBO on Jan 29 2024 01:23pm

You mean jsp population. The number of active online users peaked at 30k around the release.

Most Online: 30,165 on Oct 17 2021 09:21pm

Do you wanna try to guess the actual total number of players at that time?