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Act 2 features Scarab Demons which give a disproportionately large amount of xp compared to other monsters. They are always present during a traditional Tomb Run.

WSK has them occasionally but not always.

Is this coming into play as much as I'm assuming it would?

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Arcane Sanctuary is a surprise maybe because it was previously terrible to farm? Farming it Terrorized changed that. It's density is very good and quickly accessible, like you said 70%-80% elites spawn on first leg. Density helps a ton.

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Flayer Jungle is also extremely dense and the elites/uniques occasionally spawn as a specific monster type that will die and respawn as it's lower form essentially giving you 2x the kills on those(roughly speaking).

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Great data! Ty for the read!
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Amzing! ty
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Quote (Tapir @ 20 Dec 2023 18:59)
Very nice data!!

This belongs in the stickys!!
But mods are so clueless..

Tracking ofc.


I'll make sure to bump it fairly often so people that might need it can track it.

Quote (Vampy @ 20 Dec 2023 21:39)
Act 2 features Scarab Demons which give a disproportionately large amount of xp compared to other monsters. They are always present during a traditional Tomb Run.

WSK has them occasionally but not always.

Is this coming into play as much as I'm assuming it would?

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Arcane Sanctuary is a surprise maybe because it was previously terrible to farm? Farming it Terrorized changed that. It's density is very good and quickly accessible, like you said 70%-80% elites spawn on first leg. Density helps a ton.

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Flayer Jungle is also extremely dense and the elites/uniques occasionally spawn as a specific monster type that will die and respawn as it's lower form essentially giving you 2x the kills on those(roughly speaking).

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Great data! Ty for the read!


Fully understand why you would assume so!
Already noticed something was skewed with beetles in terror zones back in the season terror zones got released
To quantify it I just now tested the experience.
Picked a Skeleton Mage Vs Scarab Demon.

monster level 14:
Skeleton Mage - 94xp
Scarab Demon - 211xp
124.5% more exp per monster

monster level 96(tz):
Skeleton Mage - 2627xp
Scarab Demon - 2992xp
13.9% more exp per monster

Some monsters will provide 4k+ xp per kill at monster level 96.

This post was edited by Roneye on Dec 21 2023 02:01pm
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some of my data with nova. my baals have been pretty bad -_-

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Quote (Cheetos @ 22 Dec 2023 00:12)
https://i.imgur.com/IrtquYE.png

some of my data with nova. my baals have been pretty bad -_-


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Quote (Roneye @ Dec 16 2023 06:28pm)
Hello good people!

Questions to be answered
At what level do terror zone becomes better than regular Chaos.
In general how does exp/h compare between meta builds.
Terror zone ranking by experience gained per hour.


How the data was gathered
Done on single player with the command -resetofflinemaps to simulate battle.net
Did 20 minutes tests of each zone, then extrapolated to 60 minutes of gameplay.
Character and build used was Mosaic Sin level 98.
Picked up what is considered useful and valuable a week into a ladder to simulate regular gameplay.
Everything was done on players 8.


Things to keep in mind and how to interpretate the data
As I'm experienced with speedrunning and pushing ladder leaderboard, the experience gained per hour shown is higher than average. Depending on what type of player you are you can multiply these figures by a percentage. Example would be 80% by multiplying by 0.8
The same high effort was put into all the terror zones. from 1# Tal Rasha's Tombs and Tal Rasha's Chamber to #36 Burial Grounds, The Crypt, and The Mausoleum. So you would most likely see an even larger exp gap between the the two in regular gameplay, as players in most cases would put more effort into an hour of a better terror zone than a subpar one.
What can you expect from players 1 instead of 8: as you will not gain the 450% bonus from farming p8 zones solo. you can multiply the exp/h or % gained by 0.222, though as mobs have less hp you can expect a slightly higher output than that.
8 players in the same area: x4.5 bonus XP (the 450% bonus for P8) Then x3.37890625 for being next to other players. Your final share is (4.5*3.37890625/(everyone's level))*(your level) or a 90% bonus to XP (190% XP compared to P1) if you're all equal level


Data shown in spreadsheet (sorted by G)
Letters correlate to spreadsheet columns
B. Total exp for an hour of a given terror zone
C. Games per hour
D. Percentage per hour
E. Average exp per game
F. Here 10 seconds per game creation is added (to factor in you moving fillers or people not joining games instantly etc)
G. Exp per minute (F factored in)
H. Percentage with (F factored in)
I. How much less percent exp you get from 98-99 because of F factored in.

Text based ranking and information further down
https://i.imgur.com/NUXQ83x.png



Comparing Chaos vs Terror Zones
Decided to use TZ Cold Plains as the data from it hit right in the average between all the zones.
2,226,388 xp/min - Chaos (non TZ) Mosaic lvl 93
2,203,157 xp/min - Plains TZ Mosaic lvl 93
They seem to meet almost perfectly at character level 93.

At level character level 94
1,256,086 exp/h - Chaos (non TZ) Mosaic lvl 94
Already a level later at 94 we gain 43% less exp compared to an average TZ.

Conclusion: Only do the top 3 Terror zones prior to level 93. At level 93 the choice is up to you as an average TZ and chaos is close to equal. At level 94 TZ becomes faster than Chaos.


Comparing Meta Builds
720,042 xp/min | 14.84% - Chaos TZ Mosaic 98
715,120 xp/min | 14.74% - Chaos TZ Nova 98 - Equal to Mosaic
624,368 xp/min | 12.87% - Chaos TZ Javazon 98 - About 14% slower than Mosaic
584,358 xp/min | 12.05% - Chaos TZ Hammerdin 98 - About 19% slower than Mosaic
These numbers cannot be used 1:1 with other terror zones, as it does not factor in monster AI and resistances. But gives you a general idea.


Now to the rankings
The first one will in my opinion be the most realistic one to simulate real world conditions. It will show experience gained per minute and the percentage of experience gained per hour at level 98.
The second one will be if you could start each game instantly, not having to manually move fillers or a significantly delay from other players joining your game. This one will show experience gained per hour, how many games done per hour, experience gained average per game and percentage experience gained at level 98.

Ranking with 10s penalty per game creation

#1 - 816,340 - 16.83% - Tal Rasha's Tombs and Tal Rasha's Chamber
#2 - 745,700 - 15.37% - Worldstone Keep, Throne of Destruction, and Worldstone Chamber
#3 - 720,042 - 14.84% - Chaos Sanctuary
#4 - 525,229 - 10.83% - Flayer Jungle and Flayer Dungeon
#5 - 515,474 - 10.63% - Bloody Foothills, Frigid Highlands and Abaddon
#6 - 510,794 - 10.53% - Ancient's Way and Icy Cellar
#7 - 507,018 - 10.45% - Dry Hills and Halls of the Dead
#8 - 503,030 - 10.37% - Crystalline Passage and Frozen River
#9 - 502,247 - 10.35% - Rocky Waste and Stony Tomb
#10 - 501,586 - 10.34% - Nihlathak's Temple and Temple Halls
#11 - 496,585 - 10.24% - Outer Steppes and Plains of Despair
#12 - 495,354 - 10.21% - River of Flame and City of the Damned
#13 - 492,716 - 10.16% - Arcane Sanctuary
#14 - 489,935 - 10.10% - Sewers
#15 - 489,640 - 10.09% - Glacial Trail and Drifter Cavern
#16 - 478,550 - 9.87% - Arreat Plateau and Pit of Acheron
#17 - 468,496 - 9.66% - Dark Wood and Underground Passage
#18 - 457,993 - 9.44% - Black Marsh and The Hole
#19 - 452,414 - 9.33% - Cold Plains and The Cave
#20 - 444,579 - 9.16% - Lost City, Valley of Snakes, and Claw Viper Temple
#21 - 440,479 - 9.08% - Kurast Bazaar, Ruined Temple, and Disused Fane
#22 - 425,166 - 8.76% - Jail and Barracks
#23 - 409,364 - 8.44% - Cathedral and Catacombs
#24 - 407,608 - 8.40% - Durance of Hate
#25 - 393,274 - 8.11% - Great Marsh
#26 - 380,766 - 7.85% - Spider Forest and Spider Cavern
#27 - 375,758 - 7.75% - The Pit
#28 - 372,930 - 7.69% - Travincal
#29 - 359,274 - 7.41% - The Forgotten Tower
#30 - 345,444 - 7.12% - Far Oasis
#31 - 337,187 - 6.95% - Moo Moo Farm (Cows)
#32 - 328,934 - 6.78% - Ancient Tunnels
#33 - 301,986 - 6.23% - Stony Field
#34 - 283,839 - 5.85% - Tristram
#35 - 278,286 - 5.74% - Blood Moor and Den of Evil
#36 - 239,297 - 4.93% - Burial Grounds, The Crypt, and The Mausoleum
Bonus: 275,981 - 5.69% - Travincal members only (rank #36)



Ranking without considering additional game creating time

1# Tal Rasha's Tombs and Tal Rasha's Chamber
50,322,345 exp/h
9.6 games/h
5,241,911 exp/game
17.29% lvl 98

#2 Chaos Sanctuary
49,452,798 exp/h
45.5 games/h
1,086,875 exp/game
16.99% lvl 98
Notes: No Diablo.

#3 Worldstone Keep, Throne of Destruction, and Worldstone Chamber
46,324,762 exp/h
12.3 games/h
3,766,241 exp/game
15.92% lvl 98
Notes: Clear 5 waves - No Baal - Do WSK lvl1 if easily found.

#4 Arcane Sanctuary
33,467,511 exp/h
42.0 games/h
796,846 exp/game
11.50% lvl98
Notes: Couldn't believe the results, so ran it again, gaining 33,2m the second test. Only cleared North/West + North/East.

#5 Ancient's Way and Icy Cellar
33,433,773 exp/h
30.0 games/h
1,114,459 exp/game
11.49% lvl 98

#6 Flayer Jungle and Flayer Dungeon
33,027,487 exp/h
16.5 games/h
2,001,666 exp/game
11.35% lvl 98

#7 Bloody Foothills, Frigid Highlands and Abaddon
32,892,891 exp/h
21.5 games/h
1,529,902 exp/game
11.30% lvl 98

#8 Rocky Waste and Stony Tomb
32,578,185 exp/h
27.0 games/h
1,206,599 exp/game
11.19% lvl 98

#9 Crystalline Passage and Frozen River
32,289,573 exp/h
23.5 games/h
1,374,024 exp/game
11.09% lvl 98

#10 Dry Hills and Halls of the Dead
32,163,225 exp/h
19.5 games/h
1,649,396 exp/game
11.05% lvl 98

#11 Outer Steppes and Plains of Despair
32,066,446 exp/h
25.5 games/h
1,257,508 exp/game
11.02% lvl 98

#12 Glacial Trail and Drifter Cavern
31,981,356 exp/h
29.3 games/h
1,091,514 exp/game
10.99% lvl 98

#13 Nihlathak's Temple and Temple Halls
31,959,444 exp/h
21.0 games/h
1,521,878 exp/game
10.98% lvl 98

#14 Sewers
31,637,043 exp/h
25.5 games/h
1,240,668 exp/game
10.87% lvl 98

#15 River of Flame and City of the Damned
31,404,915 exp/h
19.3 games/h
1,627,198 exp/game
10.79% lvl 98

#16 Arreat Plateau and Pit of Acheron
31,134,570 exp/h
28.0 games/h
1,111,949 exp/game
10.70% lvl 98

#17 Dark Wood and Underground Passage
29,983,746 exp/h
22.5 games/h
1,332,611 exp/game
10.30% lvl 98

#18 Black Marsh and The Hole
29,556,744 exp/h
25.3 games/h
1,168,251 exp/game
10.15% lvl 98

#19 Kurast Bazaar, Ruined Temple, and Disused Fane
29,229,912 exp/h
34.5 games/h
847,244 exp/game
10.04% lvl 98

#20 Cold Plains and The Cave
29,214,183 exp/h
25.5 games/h
1,145,654 exp/game
10.04% lvl 98

#21 Lost City, Valley of Snakes, and Claw Viper Temple
28,580,081 exp/h
24.0 games/h
1,190,837 exp/game
9.82% lvl 98

#22 Jail and Barracks
27,162,330 exp/h
21.9 games/h
1,240,289 exp/game
9.33% lvl 98

#23 Durance of Hate
26,924,598 exp/h
33.0 games/h
815,897 exp/game
9.25% lvl 98

#24 Cathedral and Catacombs
26,199,303 exp/h
22.5 games/h
1,164,413 exp/game
9.00% lvl 98

#25 Great Marsh
26,025,486 exp/h
33.6 games/h
774,568 exp/game
8.94% lvl 98

#26 Travincal
25,818,231 exp/h
48.0 games/h
537,880 exp/game
8.87% lvl 98

#27 The Pit
24,820,681 exp/h
33.0 games/h
752,142 exp/game
8.53% lvl 98

#28 Spider Forest and Spider Cavern
24,587,607 exp/h
25.5 games/h
964,220 exp/game
8.45% lvl 98

#29 The Forgotten Tower
23,096,205 exp/h
24.0 games/h
962,342 exp/game
7.94% lvl 98

#30 Far Oasis
23,093,733 exp/h
36.9 games/h
625,846 exp/game
7.93% lvl 98

#31 Ancient Tunnels
22,342,704 exp/h
42.0 games/h
531,969 exp/game
7.68% lvl 98

#32 Moo Moo Farm (Cows)
21,465,462 exp/h
20.7 games/h
1,036,979 exp/game
7.37% lvl 98
Notes: Had to find leg every game.

#33 Stony Field
21,007,707 exp/h
49.5 games/h
424,398 exp/game
7.22% lvl 98

#34 Tristram
20,436,402 exp/h
60.0 games/h
340,607 exp/game
7.02% lvl 98

#35 Blood Moor and Den of Evil
19,118,892 exp/h
45.6 games/h
419,274 exp/game
6.57% lvl 98

#36 Burial Grounds, The Crypt, and The Mausoleum
15,337,722 exp/h
23.0 games/h
666,857 exp/game
5.27% lvl 98

Bonus: Travincal Members Only (#31)
22,580,274 exp/h
96.0 games/h
235,211 exp/game
7.76% lvl 98


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Dec 28 2023 02:36pm
Well this is pretty useful for today.
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Quote (Roneye @ Dec 28 2023 03:36pm)
Well this is pretty useful for today.


Useful always! :thumbsup: just extra useful today.

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Quote (Roneye @ Dec 28 2023 03:36pm)
Well this is pretty useful for today.


Why today? Tz are harder but not more exp? 25% more exp was a couple days ago?
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