Are the 2-handed sword BPs the same as the 2-handed Hammers (Maul, TMaul) BPs?
I see spears, polearms, and swords have their own tables

This last season I ran a double-shael'd IK Maul and it was swinging crazy fast before the PTR*, so I'm wondering how much IAS I'll have to complement it with now in order to get good speeds if I go that route again.
*I think these were the bugged speeds, maybe even 2 fpa or something

This post was edited by CyborgBipBoop on Mar 7 2022 10:03am

Yes, at the very beginning of D2R, you could also get to 3 frames 😊, and it is crazy fast. Yes that table applies to Mauls as well

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 7 2022 10:17am

And just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, the below table


Implies that we *can't* get 3 FPS BP on 2-handers then (page 53 I think.) Or has this been amended further?

Sorry for the following question: Is WSM the same for all Characters? I ask because the Druid is "fast" with a Maul but other classes are not. Is this achieved by less frames in the animation or something else I'm missing. In other words, an Ogre Maul is WSM 10 no matter who wields it?

This post was edited by CyborgBipBoop on Mar 7 2022 10:36am

It really is a shame this kinda kills the Fury/rabies spec, Blizzard is still refusing to make many if any PvP oriented changes, that’s why I don’t think they will do anything to Rabies speed, as it has little to no effect in PvE, as opposed to Fury, and uninterruptible Bear with higher defense while much slower is not that bad in PvE either, still Bear should be able to get to at least 6 frames relatively easy and 5 with effort, considering they got a significant damage buff to skills and uninterruptible is a big deal.

At the same time Fury/Rabies being the only viable spec for Werewolf vs ALL, and rabies duration being this long wasn’t ideal in PvP. Ideally if a new Hybrid viable spec can emerge that uses Fury more that would be better, the 3 FPA down from 4, the 4 frame opening down from 7, and the range 5 increase from 4 in some weapons will help this a lot, but we are still missing a FRW skill to really bring this to a good spot in PvP vs alll, and not only melee. I strongly think that with these changes (and the FHR changes - smiters) at least Fury will be S tier Melee, now we just need more mobility.

Possible hybrid builds are Phoenix with fully synergized Firestorm, which will do considerable damage in both PvE and PvP, max cyclone and hurricane for good absorb, and perhaps max raven and bear.

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 7 2022 10:50am

They can get to 3 frames, the table you are referencing is for 2 handed swords, use this one for mauls:

EIAS breakpoints for STF(all 2 handers exept spear/swords/bow/crossbow)
FPA -- EIAS -- Attack/Sec
9/7/7/7/14 -- 0 -- 2,84
9/7/7/7/13 -- 8 -- 2,91
9/6/7/7/13 -- 12 -- 2,98
8/7/7/7/13 -- 13 -- 2,98
8/7/6/7/12 -- 15 -- 3,13
8/6/6/6/12 -- 20 -- 3,29
8/5/6/6/11 -- 25 -- 3,47
7/6/6/6/11 -- 29 -- 3,47
7/6/5/6/10 -- 34 -- 3,68
7/5/5/5/10 -- 41 -- 3,91
7/5/5/5/9 -- 43 -- 4,03
6/5/5/5/9 -- 50 -- 4,17
6/5/4/5/8 -- 61 -- 4,46
6/4/5/4/8 -- 67 -- 4,63
6/4/4/4/7 -- 75 -- 5,00
5/4/4/4/8 -- 81 -- 5,00
5/4/4/4/7 -- 88 -- 5,21
5/3/4/3/7 -- 100 -- 5,68
5/3/4/3/6 -- 115 -- 5,95
4/4/3/4/6 -- 125 -- 5,95
4/3/3/3/6 -- 134 -- 6,58
4/3/3/3/5 -- 150 -- 6,94

As far as I know WSM is same for all classes

I miss like 10 minuts of work in excel and i have all eias table up and running.
I will then post a clean post invlolving everything and which also explain questions you guys have just asked

When this is posted i have a suggestion im gonna post for blizzard about helping out the werebear. I just need to check numbers.


This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 7 2022 12:32pm

Thank you 😊
I used the formula to run some numbers for Cryptic axe, i.e tomb reaver, it needs 162 IAS with 75 WW and 156 with 76 WW. This is pretty bad, so definitely still need 90% IAS tomb reaver (40ed/15IAS x 2), if you want to reach 3 frames, then 30% helm + 20 gloves + 20 amulet AND 76 WW, which I think is lvl 38 😅. So while still a good option when resistances are needed, if you want 3 FPA instead of the 4 we have today, you need to MAX WW pretty much.

Both EBOTD GTA and GT, have an easier time getting to 3 frames than Tomb Reaver (despite them only having 60% weapon IAS compares to 90 in Tomb socketed), as WSM has a very significant impact in EIAS formula.

Worth mentioning that EBOTD GPA, does NOT need 30 IAS helm, with lvl 38 WW, then it can use 15 IAS Helm, 20 amulet and 20 gloves, otherwise with 1 point WW, it can use 30 IAS Helm + 20 amulet + 20 gloves (higher WW levels allow you to use 10% glove instead of 20). EBOTD GT does allow for more gear flexibility at the cost of lower damage.

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 7 2022 12:47pm

Well damn and here i was working on an 1handed druid build...
Can't wait for the results then

Oscarmk please look at this tables frames it is exactly what I'm saying in regards to shape-shifting as a class vs the pure fury wolf we should not have to be dealing with what we can settle for on a patch they stated would help all classes underused skills elevate