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FURY 1 HANDS:

Okay now EIAS break for all 1 handed weps:

FPA -- EIAS -- Attack/Sec
10/7/7/7/15 -- 0 -- 2,72
10/7/7/7/14 -- 8 -- 2,78
9/7/7/7/14 -- 12 -- 2,84
9/7/7/7/13 -- 15 -- 2,91
9/6/6/6/13 -- 17 -- 3,13
9/6/6/6/12 -- 24 -- 3,21
8/6/6/6/12 -- 25 -- 3,29
8/6/6/6/11 -- 34 -- 3,38
7/5/5/5/11 -- 43 -- 3,79
7/5/5/5/10 -- 46 -- 3,91
7/5/5/5/9 -- 61 -- 4,03
6/5/5/5/9 -- 67 -- 4,17
6/4/4/4/9 -- 75 -- 4,63
6/4/4/4/8 -- 79 -- 4,81
5/4/4/4/7 -- 100 -- 5,21
5/4/4/4/6 -- 129 -- 5,43
5/3/3/3/6 -- 134 -- 6,25
4/3/3/3/6 -- 150 -- 6,58

EIAS formula:
Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SkillIAS-WSM;1)

IAS is both weapon IAS and gear IAS
WSM is weapon speed base (so 0 here)

Ias needed to reach EIAS:
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM));1)

boom
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Mar 7 2022 07:36am
Quote (Nemergix @ Mar 7 2022 04:21am)
FURY 1 HANDS:

Okay now EIAS break for all 1 handed weps:

FPA -- EIAS -- Attack/Sec
10/7/7/7/15 -- 0 -- 2,72
10/7/7/7/14 -- 8 -- 2,78
9/7/7/7/14 -- 12 -- 2,84
9/7/7/7/13 -- 15 -- 2,91
9/6/6/6/13 -- 17 -- 3,13
9/6/6/6/12 -- 24 -- 3,21
8/6/6/6/12 -- 25 -- 3,29
8/6/6/6/11 -- 34 -- 3,38
7/5/5/5/11 -- 43 -- 3,79
7/5/5/5/10 -- 46 -- 3,91
7/5/5/5/9 -- 61 -- 4,03
6/5/5/5/9 -- 67 -- 4,17
6/4/4/4/9 -- 75 -- 4,63
6/4/4/4/8 -- 79 -- 4,81
5/4/4/4/7 -- 100 -- 5,21
5/4/4/4/6 -- 129 -- 5,43
5/3/3/3/6 -- 134 -- 6,25
4/3/3/3/6 -- 150 -- 6,58

EIAS formula:
Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SkillIAS-WSM;1)

IAS is both weapon IAS and gear IAS
WSM is weapon speed base (so 0 here)

Ias needed to reach EIAS:
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM));1)

boom


So for a zerker axe (0 wsm), and lvl 42 werewolf (77 skill ias), to hit the 5/3/3/3/6 bp of 134 eias you need a total of 109 ias on gear?

This post was edited by wendell on Mar 7 2022 07:36am
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Quote (wendell @ Mar 7 2022 02:36pm)
So for a zerker axe (0 wsm), and lvl 42 werewolf (77 skill ias), to hit the 5/3/3/3/6 bp of 134 eias you need a total of 109 ias on gear?


Btw i assumed actionframe was always (FramesPerdirecton+1)/2
However that was not the case.
I am currently working on the new tables AGAIN xD
Which means there will be slight changes for:
1handed swing
Hands
Bow
1 handed thrust
2 handed thrust.

The others i think was fine, but i gonna double check it.
I think its best i just finnish the comlete excel sheet and i wrote a fully post with both formulas and eias tables.

Then i can asnwere you correctly :)

EIAS break 134 still exists though. And is:
4/3/3/3/7
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM));1)
Yes its 109 ias needed.



This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 7 2022 07:45am
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Quote (gel87 @ Mar 7 2022 07:42am)
Btw i assumed actionframe was always (FramesPerdirecton+1)/2
However that was not the case.
I am currently working on the new tables AGAIN xD
Which means there will be slight changes for:
1handed swing
Hands
Bow
1 handed thrust
2 handed thrust.

The others i think was fine, but i gonna double check it.
I think its best i just finnish the comlete excel sheet and i wrote a fully post with both formulas and eias tables.

Then i can asnwere you correctly :)

EIAS break 134 still exists though. And is:
4/3/3/3/7
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM));1)
Yes its 109 ias needed.



Thank you for clarifying, to be clear 4 is the initial shift fury hit, and 7 would be the last hit?.
109 IAS is a big deal, because then you only need BOTD (60) + gloves (20) + ammy (20) + 15 IAS in helm or shield, can keep cerebus bite.
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Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 7 2022 06:15am)
Thank you for clarifying, to be clear 4 is the initial shift fury hit, and 7 would be the last hit?.
109 IAS is a big deal, because then you only need BOTD (60) + gloves (20) + ammy (20) + 15 IAS in helm or shield, can keep cerebus bite.


That than forces you to use dungos stormshield which is a huge drop in life since you can't ber your helm also you won't hit fhr bps

This post was edited by Lycans on Mar 7 2022 08:55am
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The main issue is gear diversity without teleport frw setups vs casters will suffer even for a pure fury wolf stacking frw will not be viable since you have to maintain gear ias you arnt gonna catch a caster
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The system they had before was far better with the 2 systems in play it helped both lower level shifters as well as end game maintained its overall viability like I said the new ias is cool for faster fury but you suffer a great deal of gear in the process its not worth sacrificing all other aspects just to watch a fury druid tweak out a little faster its nerfing other build options aswell as life and other stats
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Mar 7 2022 09:09am
Quote (Lycans @ Mar 7 2022 09:00am)
The main issue is gear diversity without teleport frw setups vs casters will suffer even for a pure fury wolf stacking frw will not be viable since you have to maintain gear ias you arnt gonna catch a caster


Quote (Lycans @ Mar 7 2022 08:55am)
That than forces you to use dungos stormshield which is a huge drop in life since you can't ber your helm also you won't hit fhr bps



You can choose to Ber stormshield and stay 43DR too, or use +5 fury 2 os helm with Ber and IAS, if you want to use the OW belt, I agree it does make it a hard choice since cerebus OW and AR is huge. The drop in life is significant, but at least with this patch we get a bit more %AR and 3 frames is a huge damage difference.

Regarding FRW and IAS, I don’t see much conflict between FRW and IAS in gear being mutually exclusive, but you would probably be forced to use cats eye if you want more FRW, or just highlords and lose up to 10 from a blood amulet. You would probably use a 30FRW 2 os circlet either way, and Enigma for FRW. We really still need a FRW passive skill that doesn’t have diminishing returns.
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Mar 7 2022 09:14am
Quote (Lycans @ Mar 7 2022 09:04am)
The system they had before was far better with the 2 systems in play it helped both lower level shifters as well as end game maintained its overall viability like I said the new ias is cool for faster fury but you suffer a great deal of gear in the process its not worth sacrificing all other aspects just to watch a fury druid tweak out a little faster its nerfing other build options aswell as life and other stats



I agree completelly, Fury is the only one that benefits, but the benefit is rather huge, just going from 4 to 3 frames is a very significant DPS increase, shift Fury going from 7 to 4 is big, and several weapons that capped at 5-7 before can get to 3 now. Alternatively you could choose to use ebotdz at 4 frames, down from 5, if you don’t want to make gear changes, this itself would already be a significant buff.

It might be worth considering ebotd War Spike, due to its -10 WSM, it will reach 3 FPA much easier, buy you would suffer dps loss. Again it would depend on the equipment you would want to use.

They need to address Rabies speed and Bear, the problem
Is that they are too PvE focused, so they see rabies as one hit and run, in PvE it wouldn’t really matter how fast that hit is.

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 7 2022 09:42am
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Mar 7 2022 09:47am
I ran the numbers for ebotd war Spike, at lvl 42 WW, it needs 78.33% IAS so 80 for 3 frames. Only need Highlords, could use Ber Helm and steelrends if needed, but the avg damage is significantly lower.

This would still he higher average damage than the elusive 40 ias 300%+ ed ethereal phase 2os blade fools that had 4 frames before. This would give you 3 frames, higher average damage, but much lower AR, lose about 1200, since ebotd gives 200 (50AR + 30 dex)

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