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Mar 5 2022 03:05pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 5 2022 09:53pm)
So ebotd GT, only needs 23 IAS from equipment for 3 frames? If ebotd GPA needs 40 or less IAS feom equipment for 3 frames, ammy + gloves should be better choice in PvP than GT - higher average dmg and range 5


Players have range 1.
Both GPA and GT has +4 range adder.

So both have 5 range.

However 77 vs 86,5 basic average damage will scale quite good with all the ED bonuses.
So i agree its worth to have a look.

GPA has WSM of 0.
GT has WSM of -10.

I previous forgot to change the bloody Frames Per Direction into STF, so we do both again LOL xD (im tired xD)

GT:
FPA --------- Attack/Sec -- IAS
5/3/4/3/6 -- 5,95 -- 40
4/4/3/4/6 -- 5,95 -- 60
4/3/3/3/6 -- 6,58 -- 83
4/3/3/3/5 -- 6,94 -- 142

GPA:
FPA --------- Attack/Sec -- IAS
5/3/4/3/6 -- 5,95 -- 60
4/4/3/4/6 -- 5,95 -- 86
4/3/3/3/6 -- 6,58 -- 117
4/3/3/3/5 -- 6,94 -- 200
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Mar 5 2022 03:07pm
Need to do some testing, but theorycrafting makes me think this will make Fury Druid go from D tier to B in PvP versus all, and possibly S tier in Melee, with the only possible contender being BM Smiter. Zealot with adjusted GM melee would be a contender of course as well, but in Public games with Grief Fury will dominate any melee, and instantly kill casters with any mistake. This is of course with a near 100% perfect equipment Wolf, I know at D2R start with TR at 3 frames, catching casters and killing in one mistake was very possible, but now it will be better.

At D2R start when we had 3 frames it was even possible to at least kill welfare smiters before a single smite, since they always charge first. Now with the increased damage and FHR changes might even kill fully geared smiters, assuming FHR change stays course or at least some sort of diminishing returns

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 5 2022 03:18pm
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Mar 5 2022 03:13pm
Quote (Kisekinecro @ Mar 5 2022 10:02pm)
Sorry but I am quite new to this, what does ;1 at the back of the formula mean?

Also Is it ok if I post your breakpoint calculation to another forum (a Chinese one) so they have something to rely on for the new fury speed as well?

Thanks


NP... You can post wherever.
It was not even me that found them. It was ChthonVII on blizzard forum who found out that the rollback was changed and how much it was changed, as well as the formula for that.

My formulas is in excel.
The ;1 is which decimals to be used.
For ceiling and floor functions i have to use ;1 to get an even "full number without decimal"
As for RoundUP and RoundDOWN one must use ;0 to get an even "full number without decimal"

However i have seen some excel's that use ,1 instead of ;1 for the same function. It depends on languish and version of excel.
Im Norwegian and for me they chose the longest word possible for all.... :(
Example:
=AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(0+((E2*AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(((100+B12)*256)/100;1))/256);1)*((100-70)/100);1)

Most programs dont have the fucntion to round with decimals. Then formula looks easier:
Example:
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)))

And in my excel sheet i included the 150 EIAS CAP with an IF sentence, which is HVIS sentence in norwegian LOL xD
=Floor(120*B9/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1)>150;150;Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1))
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Quote (gel87 @ Mar 5 2022 03:05pm)
Players have range 1.
Both GPA and GT has +4 range adder.

So both have 5 range.

However 77 vs 86,5 basic average damage will scale quite good with all the ED bonuses.
So i agree its worth to have a look.

GPA has WSM of 0.
GT has WSM of -10.

I previous forgot to change the bloody Frames Per Direction into STF, so we do both again LOL xD (im tired xD)

GT:
FPA --------- Attack/Sec -- IAS
5/3/4/3/6 -- 5,95 -- 40
4/4/3/4/6 -- 5,95 -- 60
4/3/3/3/6 -- 6,58 -- 83
4/3/3/3/5 -- 6,94 -- 142

GPA:
FPA --------- Attack/Sec -- IAS
5/3/4/3/6 -- 5,95 -- 60
4/4/3/4/6 -- 5,95 -- 86
4/3/3/3/6 -- 6,58 -- 117
4/3/3/3/5 -- 6,94 -- 200


GPA with 20 ias gloves 20 highlords(or cats eye for FRW) and 30 helm from a 2 druid/30frw rare would be best I think then. Could also use 10 ias gloves like blooodfists.

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 5 2022 03:15pm
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Mar 5 2022 03:42pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 5 2022 10:13pm)
GPA with 20 ias gloves 20 highlords(or cats eye for FRW) and 30 helm from a 2 druid/30frw rare would be best I think then. Could also use 10 ias gloves like blooodfists.



Ur setup:
Botd GPA (60) + HL (20) + (helm 30) + Bloodfist(10) = 120, so reaches the 117 ias break.


However i like fcr.
Example:
Grief pb + Stormshield '7fhr/15@' + arach + trangs + 2/20/30'CHAM+15ias/15@' diadem + 10fcr/adds ring + wisp/raven/bk/dwarf + HL + Gores = 68 fcr break, 150EIAS break, light abs, 43% dr, max block, 77% deadly strike.
Swap: Death web 5/-55/2 + 20/-20 jmod.

Fury + rabies.

Cube in invetory:
Cta + demon limb + maras + soj + bk
torch
annie
8 shape skillers
mix of 3max/ar/life and life/5@ scs
Maby something FHR, depending if needed in next patch or not.

If need rangeadder:
Eth Botd GT
= same attack pr sec as grief. (60+20+15 = 95, breakpoint is 83)

Sacrifice 1 ias break if want 99fcr(same for both setups):
HL --> 2/20/adds
Wisp --> 10fcr/adds

Swap to DW side AFTER activating rabies to get max damage.

AR is buffed on both attacks.
Damage is buffed on Rabies.

Im unsure how biting attacks are handeled now.
I assume they took away biting frames and is same as paw/normal attacks now.

If i want +2 range adder berzerker axe + stormshield i go:
Grief ba + 15ias jool + HL = 75.
32 ias is the 5/4/4/4/7 breakpoint(almost as fast as eth tomb in d2lod). And im free to choose between 68 and 99fcr without loosing ias break)

Edit: Had to change ias jool from stormshield to helm to be able to reach ias break botd gt

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 5 2022 03:49pm
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Quote (gel87 @ Mar 5 2022 01:13pm)
NP... You can post wherever.
It was not even me that found them. It was ChthonVII on blizzard forum who found out that the rollback was changed and how much it was changed, as well as the formula for that.

My formulas is in excel.
The ;1 is which decimals to be used.
For ceiling and floor functions i have to use ;1 to get an even "full number without decimal"
As for RoundUP and RoundDOWN one must use ;0 to get an even "full number without decimal"

However i have seen some excel's that use ,1 instead of ;1 for the same function. It depends on languish and version of excel.
Im Norwegian and for me they chose the longest word possible for all.... :(
Example:
=AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(0+((E2*AVRUND.GJELDENDE.MULTIPLUM.NED(((100+B12)*256)/100;1))/256);1)*((100-70)/100);1)

Most programs dont have the fucntion to round with decimals. Then formula looks easier:
Example:
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)))

And in my excel sheet i included the 150 EIAS CAP with an IF sentence, which is HVIS sentence in norwegian LOL xD
=Floor(120*B9/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1)>150;150;Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1))


Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Can't wait to see the remaining EIAS table
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Mar 5 2022 04:10pm
Quote (Kisekinecro @ Mar 5 2022 11:07pm)
Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Can't wait to see the remaining EIAS table


I did copy a little wrong on the eias cap one. Basicly forgot the IF ^^

=IF(Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1)>150;150;Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SIAS-WSM;1))

Basicly means:
IF FORMULAanswer
Is greater than 150
Then result 150
Else
FormulaAnswere

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 5 2022 04:12pm
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Quote (gel87 @ Mar 5 2022 02:42pm)
FURY 1 HANDS:

Okay now EIAS break for all 1 handed weps:

FPA -- EIAS -- Attack/Sec
10/7/7/7/15 -- 0 -- 2,72
10/7/7/7/14 -- 8 -- 2,78
9/7/7/7/14 -- 12 -- 2,84
9/7/7/7/13 -- 15 -- 2,91
9/6/6/6/13 -- 17 -- 3,13
9/6/6/6/12 -- 24 -- 3,21
8/6/6/6/12 -- 25 -- 3,29
8/6/6/6/11 -- 34 -- 3,38
7/5/5/5/11 -- 43 -- 3,79
7/5/5/5/10 -- 46 -- 3,91
7/5/5/5/9 -- 61 -- 4,03
6/5/5/5/9 -- 67 -- 4,17
6/4/4/4/9 -- 75 -- 4,63
6/4/4/4/8 -- 79 -- 4,81
5/4/4/4/7 -- 100 -- 5,21
5/4/4/4/6 -- 129 -- 5,43
5/3/3/3/6 -- 134 -- 6,25
4/3/3/3/6 -- 150 -- 6,58


EIAS formula:
Floor(120*IAS/(120+IAS)+SkillIAS-WSM;1)

Ias needed to reach EIAS:
Ceiling(120*(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)/(120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM));1)


I know this has probably been answered, but in terms of gear what does it take for a stormlssh to reach 3f? Loh + hl + 70% sias ww?
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Quote (Brandoloni @ Mar 5 2022 02:56pm)
I know this has probably been answered, but in terms of gear what does it take for a stormlssh to reach 3f? Loh + hl + 70% sias ww?


If my calculation and my understanding of the formula is correct it would be as follow

[120*(EIAS-SIAS+WAM)]/[120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)]

EIAS cap is 150
Stormlash Base speed is -10
SIAS 70%

so to plug the numbers into the formula it would be

[120*(150-70+(-10))]/[120-(150-70+(-10))]

=[120*70]/[120-70]
=8400/50
=168

since Stormlash has 30 IAS attached to it already, you will need 1680-30 = 138 extra IAS to reach 3F

This post was edited by Kisekinecro on Mar 5 2022 05:17pm
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Quote (Kisekinecro @ Mar 6 2022 12:16am)
If my calculation and my understanding of the formula is correct it would be as follow

[120*(EIAS-SIAS+WAM)]/[120-(EIAS-SIAS+WSM)]

EIAS cap is 150
Stormlash Base speed is -10
SIAS 70%

so to plug the numbers into the formula it would be

[120*(150-70+(-10))]/[120-(150-70+(-10))]

=[120*70]/[120-70]
=8400/50
=168

since Stormlash has 30 IAS attached to it already, you will need 1680-30 = 138 extra IAS to reach 3F


To reach 4/3/3/3/6 that is 100% correct.
To reach 5/3/3/3/6 you only need 99.
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